So you first hear, then have the 'knowledge' of that and then have faith it what first was a 'hearing'? I don't base my 'faith' on what I hear nor on what I see. It should be supported by research based on (at least some objective) facts, Not feelings, and in particular material evidence. The people, which I never look for but often encounter, who say such things like '"Isn't that what' Faith' is all about? " are mostly religous people who can't provide an argument or answer a question. A long discussion about the Bible, the Thorah or the Quran where you can use the statements of the very same books against the defenders of the books ends up with" I believe cause Faith is Faith, isn't that what Faith is all about"! Richard Dawkins has a nice one in that regard about some highly educated, I believe Harvard and Chicago, scientist who happend to be a Christian too. And that guy uses something like:" Even though all evidence in fossils, sediments and C14 proves that the age of the earth is at least 4.54 billions years, I'd still believe what the bible says that its about 10000 gears old, just cause the Bible says it" "And there you go"!

@PabloNeruda I would not have equations worked out, but time dilation would explain observation of a "young" Earth creation from one point of observation. Do you understand time dilation where that one observer goes really fast and time from an observation not going so fast experiences a different time?

So the biblical fast creation could be explained given it was observed by a cognition capability going a time dilation speed as compared to the rest of the speeds of those things observed to have been created.

@Word I known that trick in both the 'Bible' and the Quran! I could debunk everything thinkable this way without a single piece of evidence! You can't make up excuses for made-up stories and try to interpret them the way that suits you. What you say can only be executed with basic facts.
Fact 1. Creationists count years just like you and me and when it comes to evolution and the age of humans and the earth they deny the scientific evidence. They say 10 or 11 thousand years! Show me their thought out scale where you can calculate 1 year in their Bible to be equal to about 454000 years of ours!
Fact 2. Creationists refuse the Evolution Theory completely! They refuse anything else than the stories in the 'Bible'! There hasn't been ONE single misplaced fossil to debunk the Evolution Theory. They just take 1 of the 2 explanations any old dictionary gives you about the word 'Theory', one is still based on thoughts and the other one based on facts. The Evolution Theory is based on a lot of facts, so the second explanation applies.
I could go on and on with a lot of examples. Muslims by the way have a verse in their Quran that says "'God' does something in a day which was 1000 days of what 'you' count" TLE took unfortunately its toll on Muhammad and there was as you know no cure for that at that time so a lot of these nonsense contradictions are common in old 'religions', surely to add some 'Mysterious Touch' to the dish, the scripture!
If we take their idiotic ways of thinking as true then we can also assume thay this conversation never took place! This also means that your assumptions in your reply and in fact all what you've said and who you are for that matter could also be the imagination of a flying monster or a bug on another planet!

@PabloNeruda 1 Possible explination I have found for your first "Fact". Those who argue that the word "day" means "long age," point out that the Hebrew word, yom, can have a number of meanings, only one of which is "day of 24 hours."1 They further seek to strengthen their position with the use of Psalm 90:4 and II Peter 3:8, comparing a day to a thousand years. Both of these verses, however, are simply using figures of speech (similes) to show that God is not constrained by the same time parameters as are humans. These verses are really irrelevant to the discussion of the meaning of "day," in Genesis 1. [icr.org]

@PabloNeruda For your fact 2: I know nothing of Islam writings or teachings, I could not comment properly on that.

How ever, I do not see biblical text being intended as a precise scientific document for detailed account of all aspects of creation like the big bang myth might try to purport. It can use metaphor and analogy to tell stories that may have closeness but does not have precise accuracy to be taken as a strict scientific account. I do not try to get into a lot of apologies about aspects of biblical text, it did serve as something for a people for a time.

@PabloNeruda if I were to make my own analogy the biblical text is like unto NOT giving a 4 year old all the graphic details of sexual intercourse. Early peoplekind had well enough information to appease goat herders without a lot of exactly scientific details.

@Word True but it still gives no specific though-out scale of time and space that 'God' uses to make a 'day' of 'His' 4540000 of ours(to make appointments for example)! Conclusion is: 'They' are free to believe in whatever 'they' like, but why they always need 'interpretations as an escape, threats as a solution,' mysterious words that has different meaning at every different era of history', and most importantly why do 'They' need violence to impose their Wrong? I know why! Cause they can't Reason!

@PabloNeruda you think, "Cause they can't Reason!". But no, there is reason. It's called "the kingdom of God ". Like unto hierarchy of other creatures. Kingdom of mankind, kingdom of monkeys. Their are those that for their reason put their ideology upon or on top of others. The reason is for such as power and control over other people especially the mass with such as capitalism wage slave labor.

@Word
reasoning
/ˈriːz(ə)nɪŋ/
noun
the action of thinking about something in a logical, sensible way.
Are you saying that their 'reason'(ing) is correct?
For me arguing and calling that 'reasoning' without basic facts is nonsense. That also goes btw for Atheists/Agnostics /Freethinkers,, Once 1 forces others to (massively) follow him( his favorings) he is ironically enough proving the Evolution Theory of the poorly devoloped creature that he is!

Thank you. I've used that quote often but I didn't know the source. Off topic but one of my favourites of his is, it doesn't matter who you vote for, you still get a bloody politician.

This is an unattributed quote. There is no evidence that points to Mark Twain as the source. It is being taken at face value as something that he said. That is faith not evidence.

@shivasregal i will not argue with you either.

@Mofo1953 good choice. This quote BTW closely mimics something from the Bible.

I suggest you read the post better again! In what you described there is at least 'something' objective science can relay on, even IF later it turned out to be 'deceived'! So even if the judge/jury would FEEL otherwise, the 'defendant' wouldn't only realy on the FEELINGS and ASSUMPTIONS without any base of reality! Would you find it Just if YOU were judged only by what OTHERS FEEL?

@PabloNeruda I am still seeing your post as a non-sequitur. If there was evidence either way... Then a proper case could be made based upon evidence, If evidence is shown... Then people don't rely on their feelings as much. Not to say that doesn't happen in US courts today (using your example) where jurors go with their gut instead of letting evidence lead their way... That's why judges set aside verdicts... Because the jurors DO fail on occasion.

Simple fact is... YOU have faith too! As an Atheist one has faith in oneself instead of a god or gods.

@RiverRick

1. If it was "non-sequitur" then you wouldn't follow!
2. "If evidence is shown... Then people don't rely on their feelings as much" :That's not what you were saying in the first place (not that it doesn't happen?) AND people DO tend to "rely on their feelings as much"! So it 'Happens'! That's unfortunately the reason why Agnostics/Atheists feel the need for a platform such as this one to discusses matters. You wouldn't be here neither if they used Reason!!!
3. Making judgments based on known facts is better than using your 'feelings'!
4. If I have faith in myself then it's because I question my knowledge, compare and improve! But just by using loose words and making assumptions you wouldn't go anywhere! My 'faith' in myself didn't replace any other 'faith'! Iook up the word 'Objective' in a dictionary if you have one!