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I love being able to have reasonable conversations with like minded people (godless skeptics), but does anyone else here also enjoy having a variety of friends that believe in some level of bullshit? I admit that haven't gotten around enough in atheist communities...but so far the flavor seems limited. What is everyone else's experience?

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My friends know I don't believe the bullshit. We get along anyway.

ugly Level 7 July 10, 2020
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I have friends who are religious or some belong to some or other cult. They are still my friends and know what I think and feel about their beliefs. We sometimes talk about it and they respect my view and I just think they are mad, he, he.

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I don't talk about religion much. All my friends are really sensitive when it comes to religion.

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I enjoy intelligent conversations about religion and politics. Most of the time I get the opposite so I no longer mention it to people.

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Agreed, in fact the truth is that at least in my experience, religious people seem to make more of an effort to get along with other people. I went to a Meetup group for skeptics for awhile and most of the regular attendees had very poor social skills and quite frankly, were not very nice to each other. Even here, the atmosphere is frequently unnecessarily combative to the point where I participate when I don't really want to. But perhaps it's not a surprise that a broad mix of personalities will provide the most interesting experience, especially if the religious people will leave it at the door. Good comment.

I felt the same way about the folks at the one skeptic meetup group I attended for three or four sessions.

@Wallace Thank you for that. I felt a bit guilty for arriving at that conclusion but the more times I attended, the more it seemed to be true. That group still meets, so I'm glad it's working for someone but I doubt I'll be back.

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I really like having conversations with godless skeptics too but that amounts to 4 people and their family. This is why I'm on agnostic.com. I know genuinely good people from different religious beliefs and fortunately we have many other areas of common interest to discuss. It won't happen in my lifetime, but I do believe in the future, people will see present religious beliefs as methology . My real concern until then is to assure the separation of church and state.

AvisG Level 4 July 12, 2020
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not wanting to start an argument here, but an interesting search compares atheists to fundamentals fwiw

@altschmerz i would certainly run from any who do not understand why Paul said "when in Rome" and even "understand why the pimps and hos are beating you into the kingdom," yes.

However one can yield, or fight, right? I think the comparisons will point out that if one chooses to fight, then they have a de facto "religion." Anyway the argument i would use in your scenario up there (if i were compelled to even be there anyway) would be that they are not honoring Paul in adapting themselves to the local culture, and maybe even that one mark of a cult (which isnt a bad thing anyway, except to ppl in cults, from "culture" i guess) is the adoption of a special language. I could prolly dig up the passage if you like, if "when in Rome" doesnt locate it (he never actually said "when in rome" i guess, but i think that works for search)

@altschmerz ok but with the caveat that this is still in a kind of code ok, Paul--who might have even literally existed--would not have believed that Jesus died for his sins, so he would define many of the terms in here diff than todays believer's, "saved, gospel," etc,
""To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews, to those not having the law I became like one not having the law,so as to win those not having the law. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel."

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Good topic. I grew up steeped in evangelical bullshit, and bought into it personally until my late teens, albeit not as an obnoxious "witness for Christ." I hoped it would save me from being gay. Didn't work, lol. But since I was able to untangle myself from the captivity of the paradigm, I appreciate that it takes time for anyone whose whole identity has been wrapped up in the belief. My 82 year old Dad is never going to change.

As far as friends, I don't "enjoy" religeous friends in the sense of seeking them out. But I don't shun them either, unless they are rigid and judgmental. I have any number who are nominally Christian and some more serious. I let them know my reasoning if conversation opens the topic, so if they are offended, they tend to shut me out and avoid me. If they can handle my difference of view, then we can have thoughtful discussions. Win win.

I have no use for religion, but people will use it for both good and bad aims, as well as in between. I only confront religionists when I hear them arguing for hurtful goals and justifying it with their religion. If that happens, I may hit them over the head (verbally) with why their beliefs are bullshit and why they are hypocrites.

To my knowledge none of my friends are fundamentalists. Those are not open-minded people. But there are other issues besides religion. There are atheists on this site with very different opinions on politics, human rights, climate and environment, economics, etc. I would rather have a thoughtful religious friend who is humanistic about it, caring, and tries to be open-minded vs an atheist friend who denies science if it is inconvenient and doesn't care about civil rights or the environment. You know, conservative materialistic racists.

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I have friends that disagree with me on many things but as long as they keep discussions respectful then I'm OK with it.

Sinned Level 3 July 11, 2020
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Same

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I don't enjoy having those conversations. I won't have them. They're still my friends.

barjoe Level 9 July 10, 2020
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I belong to several different groups , on line , some mostly for the art work . Was surprised to learn some of these folk actually believe in the fantasy creatures .

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I enjoy a good story. Probably part of the reason I enjoy hanging out with pagans a bit more than I do the Abrahamics.

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Yes. Just talking with people who believe the same things I do can get pretty boring.

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Pretty much everyone I know believes in some kind of bullshit. Some of them think I should believe it, too.

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Not because people are like you in terms of beliefs will mean the conversation will be better. It depends on who you get.

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I've been in favor of more believers here for the two years I've been posting but any suggestion of trying to bring in some Xians to up the religious diversity of the site is typically met with resistance. For some reason, a lot of people seem to like an echo chamber.

Not sure why.

I'd be happy to explain why I'm not interested in religious diversity here, if you're interested.

Xians are everywhere else. Finding one to discuss things with is pretty easy. Here, though, we are free of them! Hooray! We are free to discuss our opinions and experiences without one of them popping up to say that what we're describing isn't "true" Christianity - as though that somehow negates the experience.

@AmyTheBruce I appreciate the input. Opposition noted. I know my stance on this isn't shared by many so I don't make an issue of it.

Bring them on, I love a debate. On the odd times one does get through, they always seem to be deleted before it realy gets going, sad.

I agree with @AmyTheBruce. You can literally go to any other social media platform and argue with Christians all day long. Why infect this place with them too?
Also, there's nothing saying they can't come here. You can be an agnostic Christian.

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You need to define bullshit! In my 70 years I cannot remember a time when the the end wasn't nigh. Climate change is the flavour of the moment but which scientists read the evidence honestly (free of confirmation bias) and which boarder on a little personal alarmism? I'm a skeptic to the core but waste my belief on one. Science is all we really have but even that can be messy. People are losing their livelihood for daring to disagree with the consensus, yet history has proven time and again the folly of such a stance. Try telling the new religion of BLM/Antifa/Marxisit followers how their cherished beliefs don't stand up to facts and evidence and see how far you get.Experience as taught me to keep my skepticism to myself. But I take your point

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