@David1955 There a hundred or more cases of dissatisfied customers every year who take all of the major religions to court demanding their money back, but so far, all but the most horrendously fraudulent (The Moonies and Synergy for example) of them hold on to their ill gotten gains by claiming all donations and tithes were voluntary even while threatening Hell fire and damnations and shunning to those who don't pay.

If you want to start a discussion on biblical concepts then do so. I'm sure we'd all enjoy the opportunity. Create a post and see what kind of response it gets but don't get mad at my post if you have a different idea for it..

@Sgt_Spanky I'm saying why not talk about the concepts without always referencing the 'Christian' context? I'm hardly mad. And the chances of me starting a group are remote.

@Storm1752 Okay, fair enough but I still think you should make that post and start that discussion.

So I think you're saying the New Testament was made up to convince the gullible and weak it was cool to be humble, subservient, and poor. Whereas the prosperity doctrine was made up to convince them they could be rich and happy by bullshit subservience to a grand pyramid scheme / hoax of modern "Christianity" (leveraging the fact most so called Christians have never read nor comprehended the Bible in the first place).

Yeah I can accept that - both make sense as manifestations of The Art of the Steal by ruling elite who need a compliant mass underclass to maintain their status.

I find it interesting that so many are suckered in by bullshit conspiracy theories while such obvious mass frauds are hiding in plain sight right in front of them.

Maybe the real way to end this bullshit is couch all these "gospels" as giant conspiracy theories themselves - instead of trying to disprove things by science, logic, and rain. I'm sure someone must have tried that already right?

@prometheus The prosperity doctrine was created for the already rich, it seems to me, to make it 'okay' to hoard their wealth. Like supply-side economics makes it 'okay' to push for ever-lower taxes because the revenues generated by the resultant economic activity will more than make up for what on the surface looks like pure selfishness and greed.
Prosperity thought similarly implies true Christians are well off, to put it bluntly. If you are poor, it's your fault for living an ungodly life. Turn to Jesus, and reap the earthly rewards.
In both examples, Prosperity Doctrine and Supply-side Economics, there's ample and obvious evidence this is nonsense. BUT it provides moral underpinnings to those all too willing to believe it, for the simple reason they get to keep more of their money rather than contribute a reasonable amount to a healthy and vibrant society-at-large, the Commonweal.
If as I think the Romans wrote the gospels and substituted Christianity for the mythological gods discredited by the Caesars, it could be regarded as the perpetuation of a cleverly-conceived and implemented hoax, I postulate one carried out by a very small cadre of insiders: the Flavian emperors and their scribes, and a few others. It might sound preposterous to some, but the Roman aristocracy was actually a tiny group numbering less than 100, sort if like Saudi royalty. They COULD have decimated the Jews, dispersed them, and in the wreckage substituted a replacement religion, a Rome friendly Jew-Lite, borrowing liberally from mystery religions so common at the time. I think that's what happened.
Prosperity Doctrine is not in that class. I doubt ANYTHING is. If I and Carrier and others are right, it was truly the Greatest Hoax Ever. They must have been very proud of themselves

Spell much?

[en.wikipedia.org]

Nothing to do with the gospels. They are much more recent.

@Moravian [en.m.wikipedia.org]. The new testament were also in scrolls, written in greek, and found in different places in the area.

@Storm1752 my spell checker is off, if you can understand the gist of it, then my work is done.

@Storm1752, @Moravian [en.m.wikipedia.org]