Perhaps after 6 months some change would happen and hopefully a new president who doesn't ooze with racism from his pores

@TimeOutForMe
I hope it happens, we need it but I was saying steam goes out of these passions and outbursts if these movements are not led properly. I am describing the common progressions of sudden passions. Think of 'Occupy Wall Street'. They occupied, disturbed businesses, stopped common day workers but did nothing to make Wall Street to change ways. It was a failure. It went nowhere. People are still frustrated about excesses of capitalism but they could not call their elected representatives. Instead, they were looking for an outlet to vent out. Bernie just happened to talk a similar things so they jumped on the band wagon. Wasted money, wasted time, wasted efforts and hurt own chances of beating Trump by giving ammunition to the opposition by allowing to call us socialists, communists - what was their accusation to begin with. They will not do anything constructive. They will locally agitate as small bands, disturb peace and be a nuisance. If you carry it to the end to a desired result, I will admire it like MLK did.

BLM is a 33 year old issue since Rodney King in La and Tawana Brawley in New York city that I have been seeing. Black people continue dying at white police hands every month since and until there is a glaring event on camera on top of economic and other frustrations, most shootings and killings will go without any large scale protests. BLM will go dim and die out in 18 months to 2 years. It is disorganized, not led properly, they don't have one voice except they have eruptions here and eruptions there. But street looting and raising funds in its name fraudulently has happened. I have not seen much change in police attitude even after 4 black men decided to take matters into own hands and started sharp-shooting police in Houston. Remember?

I thought the same. I think many need to be reminded why BLM protests matter.

But you're a bit behind in the conversation. WE ALL KNOW AND AGREE THAT ALL LIVES MATTER AND NO-ONE IS SAYING THEY DON'T. But we're talking about black. If you're at Fred's funeral you'd realize it's sad that a lot of other people have died, but you're there to mourn Fred. Similarly, read Beowulf's comment.

@Cyklone That's all well and good if you are AT Fred's funeral. But if you are NOT at Fred's funeral in a public space and you mention "Fred's funeral was sad" and someone replies with "All funerals are sad" then you jump down their throat for not caring enough about Fred, ...... well then you are just being a BUTT.

@Normanbites I agree, but at the moment, with regard to race, everyone is at Fred's funeral. That hasn't stopped people lamenting covid deaths.

@Cyklone I am NOT at Fred's funeral and you can't make me go!!

@Normanbites Yeah, I get that. Given that there are going to be hangers on who are only at Fred's funeral because they are along for the ride, why do you think so many other thinking and compassionate people are there?

@Cyklone I can't read their minds. I don't know why they are there. But I agree with Morgan Freeman when he says, <in effect, I'm paraphrasing, watch the video yourself>"Stop talking about it! When you do, you give it life. It's not like it's there and we avoid talking about it. It's problematic when you make it a bigger deal than it needs to be."

Personally, I am beginning to suspect the BLM "movement" is getting its momentum from the civil rights activists that would basically lose their jobs if there were no social inequities to correct. So to compensate for progress being made, they pump up the current "difficulties" until they are truly larger than life.

Yes, George Floyd's death was horrific and should never have happened. However, half of the police involved were people of color. AND there have been similar incidents resulting in deaths of whites. Yes, it does happen disproportionately to Blacks but there are other reasons for that including the disparate distribution of wealth which is NOT controlled by the average person born into a white skin. NOR were people who were born into a white skin largely responsible for the existence of slavery in the first place.

There can be good argument made that this is a remnant of the plantation owners and the current 0.1% of the wealthy families who inherited vast fortunes. What has that got to do with the majority of white people today?? Mostly NOTHING!! Even the segregation in the south in the 40's and 50's can arguably be called a "continuation of the civil war" by those same families. And again, what does that have to do with any body alive today? Mostly NOTHING!!

So, I'm back to what Morgan Freeman said, "Stop talking about it!" Stop giving it life. First I am a Man, then I'm a color, then after that I might even be a hair color or bald. SO WHAT!?!?

@Normanbites I notice that Morgan Freeman is a very, very rich man. It must be nice to be in a position where he can believe that race is just an excuse or that the problem can go away by not talking about it.

@Cyklone So what are you saying? He made something of himself, so he's no longer Black??

He also said, "I think it is like religion. It's a good excuse for not getting there." Personally, I would bet he has a more valid "black experience" than you do. So I'm more inclined to take his word for it.

@Normanbites I'm saying he's insulated from the problem in many ways now and I haven't noticed that not talking about a problem works too well in any other relationship. Although I agree the BLM movement is being given momentum from other sources. I'm not sure that's a bad thing. In all my experience I've never noticed that NOT talking about a problem makes it go away.

@Cyklone I have .... I mean we could start talking about how your being bald and me not makes life "vastly" different for each of us, if you really wanted to make it a bigger deal than it needs to be.

SeeWhatIMeanNow?

BTW. Saw your Rottie pic. I've owned dogs nearly all my life. I'd say the best dog I ever had was a Rottie. Unfortunately, he was a rescue from an unethical breeder, too much inbreeding led to early bone cancer for him. Very sad. I miss him.

@Normanbites sorry about your dog. I've had rotties for 40 years now and I love them as a breed. Big loveable and affectionate but definitely protectors.
I think it's sad that people "see" colour but until enough people stop, things won't change and I understand the argument about not talking about it but I think that is a later stage in the evolution of equality.

@Cyklone Until then, you plan to force people who don't see color or at least don't want to, to see color, talk about it and breathe new life into the issue? Isn't that going the wrong direction??

I think we can talk about police brutality, wealth inequity without throwing colors on it. In fact I think if we eliminate or vastly reduce those issues on their own qualities or merits, the "color inequities" will resolve themselves. If there were 0 cases of police brutality and 90% of them were against one particular color, would it still be a problem?

If there were 0 cases of police brutality and 90% of them were against bald people, would it still be a problem?

In fact, now I kind of wonder what the brutality distribution of bald vs not is now??

@Normanbites you keep going on about this bald issue and I'm going to start taking this personally

@Cyklone So, you are saying, "Stop talking about it!"?

Please try the video again. I think it stalled somewhere between my posting and the sites readiness to accept it.
Yes you make very valid points.

...when I listened to this video I felt helpless and angry that this was happening. How can a society have so much hate for another human being or a group of human beings? The same people's grandparents or great grandparents who are responsible for wiping out an entire nation - the Native Americans. I think they're driven by "how far they can go?...for as long as leaders of the country turn a blind eye? and acquit the guilty? Its still happening!!!! The Orosman spits out division and hatred.

It’s working now. Very insightful, interesting man. The South scares me on many fronts, I have no interest in spending time anywhere South of Virginia or West of Pennsylvania, since states as far North as Ohio and Indiana have become as Klanish as many of the states down south.

@Barnie2years
"Just wanted to say that I see where you are coming from and those using “All Lives Matter” to dismiss the hurt and sentiment of “Black Lives Matter” dismisses the very real conditions of being Black in America that need to be addressed as an issue on it’s own".

You are very right in saying this and therefore my opening statement .

Yes, I'm all for the BLM movement. There's nothing wrong with focusing on one culture's grievances at a time. But looking at the big picture, as you said, it is also long past time to recognise that a certain amount of bigotry is endemic in a significant sector of EVERY culture -- BIG PICTURE. One example: When my New Zealand-born mother's marriage broke up and she brought me and my two older sisters to NZ in 1960 we were faced by humiliating pressures from everywhere just for being different -- yes, relatively petty in comparison to BLM. But we experienced inter-generational prejudice and violence hung over from the hatred built up towards American GIs 15 years before. Paying for GIs "stealing our women" all those years before, I, aged 5, and my sister, 10, trying to protect me, were beaten up in the school yard by a gang of older kids simply for being American. School teachers looked on until "the fight" resolved itself -- my sister with a tooth knocked out and taken to the sick bay. When she mentioned her "bloody" nose she was in trouble again for swearing. Of such wilful ignorance the world is made to this day.

Sorry about that. Please try now.

@TimeOutForMe now they're both working. Go figure. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

@barjoe

Racist white boys of all ages pay pimps for dope and raping women .... the problem is male entitlement not just racism driving the black market and sex trafficking .... high unemployment and low wages hurts everyone since 1865 USA