Yeah well.... wouldn't be the first time

Hitch nailed it, as he so often did, and as a nullifidian (one without faith or religious belief), I completely agree. Religion is a not merely a home for the stupid, it is a stupidity producing machine. And as comedian Ron White noted, "You can't fix stupid."

Completely condemned? Not quite.
"For we walk by faith, not by sight." 2 Corinthians 5:7
"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1
"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29

@p-nullifidian well, my reply to these is that "faith" might have a better definition, and fwiw Thomas was under direct orders from Jesus to not be following any claims of sightings of Jesus, if someone tells you "here He is, over here, don't go looking" paraphrased, so im pretty sure that the meaning of your Quote is obscured as well prolly; blessed are they who have not seen and yet believed what, exactly? Maybe not what we are led to think. Believers are all waiting for a literal appearance, right

@bbyrd009 That is not how the story goes in John 20:18-29. Read for yourself: [biblegateway.com]

In any case, I think it's fair to say that the Christian bible is rife with contradictions, including the value of faith, which, as a nullifidian, I define as believing something without evidence, or in opposition to existing evidence.

@p-nullifidian "That is not how the story goes in"
yes, i understand my quote came from elsewhere

"In any case, I think it's fair to say that the Christian bible is rife with contradictions, including the value of faith, which, as a nullifidian, I define as believing something without evidence, or in opposition to existing evidence."
not sure why you think the Bible declares any better faith, but i would ask you why you would likely have no problems flying commercial, even though you arent versed in airframe or LOX technology? something like that. Isnt that "faith?"

@bbyrd009 A common misuse of the word, IMHO. Placing confidence in an airline pilot, the aircraft and entire system of flight is not displaying "faith." It doesn't take faith to drive on the highways, either. And one doesn't need faith to make logical assumptions about things we have not witnessed. If I throw a rock into the ocean and lose sight of it, I don't need to have seen the splash to know that it has hit the water. Things work, we see the laws of physics in action, we have confidence that this will not change.

Faith, on the other hand, is claiming knowledge of things one cannot possibly know and believing in things without evidence, or in opposition to contrary evidence. As a nullifidian, I have no faith, including in faith itself.

@p-nullifidian well wadr you have defined the term for yourself, like a believer, which is your right, but that doesnt mean that the original author who used the term meant it that way.

@bbyrd009 Fair enough. But we need to make an important distinction. When one says they have faith in their pilot or surgeon, for instance, it is not the same thought process as religious faith.

@p-nullifidian i completely agree, and suggest that the Bible agrees too; it is the religious that are condemned in the Bible, and a Theocracy that imploded, after all, right

if you read the post below however, StellarAmor? that seems to be the standard reply (removed), which i can't help but take as denial? Dunno

@StellarAmor75 ha, lotta ppl do i guess, but isnt the NT the record of the implosion of a religion? Arent those praised in the Bible the pagans/atheists? (roman centurion, good samaritan, etc) and fishermen yikes, don't get me started lol.

Yah hates religion, im pretty sure...even says as much-in code of course--@ Esau have i hated, which Esau was the guy who needed red stew or he would die, which it shouldnt be too hard to figure out what "red stew" is a stand-in for eh

the religionists are the losers in the Bible, like every time

hey, they can ignore judge not, lest you be judged and be hypocrites all they like, and see now how they have been revealed to you? Let the dead bury the dead imo

which wadr is pretty much the opposite of what the Bible teaches, ok
confess your sins, ONE TO ANOTHER
for ALL must come before the judgement seat (you, in this case; us) to be judged for their WORKS...
so, the point being that regardless of what the cult of sol teaches, they cannot Quote their own "source" for it, and will be judged to be hypocrites

@bbyrd009 judged by who? You sure know your Bible. Are you a closer theist?

@Canndue well, judged by "who"ever one identifies in "judgement seat" i guess; in this case we seem to be "in agreement" vis the RCC, right? Although i guess most ppl, believers, insist on putting that judgement in the future, there is no reason to that i can read. To our perspective, we have just judged them for their works, havent we

and i am not in the closet on my belief in some force that started things going; i just hesitate to define It. They used their vowels, YHWH, which for us is actually a transliteration, not a translation, which would be more like AEOU for an English ear i guess? Can you pronounce that?

may i suggest the possibility that we are led into religion in order to keep the truth hidden, and that *eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge" is something we all do pretty much, at least in the west, as opposed to eastern or "naive" thought, and that that stuff has nothing whatever to do with religion, religion is even condemned at every turn in the Bible?