This subject matter might be a bit macabre to most, but I recently came across an article saying that in Amsterdam they were introducing a technology called a "suicide pod" where someone could climb in it and once the hatch is shut, the pod fills up with nitrogen gas and the user becomes dizzy, goes unconscious and passes away peacefully. Now it didn't specify whether this is something one could purchase and have within their home or if this would be available within a hospital/hospice situation; it also didn't specify what happens to the deceased's body afterwards.
So my question to you free thinkers and logic-guided folks is: do you think this is a technology that should exist? And furthermore is it even ethical? Discuss.
Yes please. When I'm in my 80s and can't remember who my family is, I'd like for them to lovingly take me on one last walk to the pod, kiss me, and say goodbye. We do it for our pets, why don't we treat our elderly and terminally ill with this same level of dignity?
We had a speaker from the Final Exit Network talk about this (not pods specifically, but death with dignity) at our colloquium recently. You can watch here:
And yet, the Jack Kevorkian's of the world are vilified and thrown in prison.
I am firmly of the belief that a person is the sole undisputed owner of their own life and should have the right to end it at their discretion. Subject to regulation sure, but I believe suicide is personal decision and ultimately a human right.
I used to live in Royal Oak Michigan where Dr. Kevorkian lived and even waved to him a couple of times. I agreed with him that people should have the right to die just as much as they have the right to live. If you're terminally Ill and in lots of pain, you should be able to end it if you want to. Because your choice is either just death or pain and then death. In those cases I can understand a person wanting to cut it short.
My mother is elderly, and in rather poor physical condition. She has said many times in my lifetime that she just wished she could end it (and I'm 45, so that is a lot of years to have a death wish - especially when her health was good for so long).
While I agree 100% that this should be an available option, I do believe it's use would have to be regulated/mandated by some additional authority. I love my mom, but I can see someone with her mindset and worldview abusing this.
(and of course, in steps my evil sense of humor - - 'they'd only abuse it once, that's for sure'
(I may be going to hell, but at least I have a nice handbasket)
I am in favor of "physician assisted suicide." If someone is suffering and there isn't a chance of recovery, why shouldn't they have the right to die with dignity. Of course, that is just MY opinion.
Here's a good one for you to think about. I still believe that physician assisted suicide is a good choice for exiting this life. I don't believe in an after life, and twenty one years ago today, by only son committed suicide by cutting his wrists. He was 30 years old that day.
It was painful to all that knew him but it was his choice.
That's my opinion. Thanks for yours too.
Phil
I'm a misanthrope at heart and I full heartedly think that if someone wants to die, they should be allowed. I think it is wrong to stop people. I see it as humans weeding themselves out, willingly (which is way more humane than murder or warfare). I do believe there are too many people on the planet, which is why I have had two abortions so far and refuse to have children. I also firmly believe in personal freedom. I wouldn't even mind being the person to help these people kill themselves. I find death so interesting... more so than birth... the whole mystery behind "what happens next" because we technically won't really know till it happens. I think nothing will happen. I think that will be the end of it. Part of me Hope's for that to be true but I am also open to the fact that I could be wrong.
I can not see any negatives.
Providing a "humane" method of ending suffering? Why not?
Ending physical suffering is a no brainer.
An end for emotional suffering might warrant a pause?
My son's mother committed suicide. She was very intelligent, insightful, and could accomplish most anything masterfully but not conquer depression. She suffered long and hard in her heart and mind. As she saw it: The negative outcome of existence was ever present in her life. Looks would fade. People you love will never change. Children will leave. Lovers will cheat. The rich will stay rich and poor will stay poor. Death is final. No greater good to be thankful for. Just the way it is.
I was forever attempting to persuade her that my love for her had meaning. For awhile, I succeeded. The problem, I was human with weaknesses. I said a cruel word or two not meaning to. Rushing to the daily demands of drudgery before meeting her needs. Some guilt on my part remains. However, my guilt does not burden me into sickness. I know she was broken long before meeting her. I do find comfort in her death with the end to the self perpetuatng misery. She walked away from our home on a freezing rain filled night. More than once my eyes have filled with tears thinking of her taking the last breath alone. She had begged many times to help her end the emotional suffering. If this device had been available then, I think I would have supported the option for her. I will always love you Diana. I wish a god exsisted so I could be with you again!
Assisted suicide was approved by the voters of Oregon twice (maybe 3 times), but the religious right kept opposing it, and got it delayed and they managed to keep getting it on the ballot, with the help of the Republicans of course. Talk about being pissed off, and each time it was approved by a larger margin than the first time.
Never expect your elected officials to behave as directed bu popular vote, the sorry son of a bitch governor in Maine keeps delaying the voter approved recreational maijuana dispensaries. Of course the bastard is a republiturd.
Once we get rid of big daddy in the sky, the creator of all that doesn't want any to perish but yet will burn you forever, it makes a lot of sense. If you are of sound mind and want to end your existence this is a personal decission. To be legal I'm sure your relatives would have to weigh in on this, but that's OK. What if you have few or no living relatives? What comes into play here is a fear of death just as we see in religion. People are afraid that this would become common practice and government would set an age at which you had to die.
I lived in Oregon, the first state with physician assisted suicide. I'm very much in favor, when life is no longer viable, and death is inevitable, and the person in strife, yes.
When my mother was approaching death, congestive heart failure, the hospice was increasing the dose of morphine every day. Even though it was in Florida, no assisted suicide laws, I always felt, it was in fact, assisted suicide.
With my wife I called it unintended suicide by prescription opiates. The way I look at it, she is out of pain. My ex, from 40+ years ago died a long slow death from liver cancer, in hospice care for months. I don't know what her choice would have been, but when the medical profession says it is terminal, being in pain and unable to take care of yourself for months, horrible.
I remember when my mother was in the final stages of dying I asked hospice if they could give her more morphine. The hospice nurse said that she wasn't likely in pain and giving her more morphine would further suppress her breathing. Yep, I'm aware. Give her the morphine...
I don't understand why we wouldn't think of letting our pets suffer but expect our people to do so. ?
@AdorkableMe "I don't understand why we wouldn't think of letting our pets suffer but expect our people to do so." Really says it all, doesn't it.
In Oregon it has to be reviewed, and the first few were, as expected, media events... now it just happens.
@Lincster45 I posted this elsewhere in this thread, but it's still a pretty frustrating ordeal for most in Oregon. A physician to sign off, psych exam and a plethora of other hurdles. There are very few physicians that will prescribe the medications necessary. Few pharmacists that will fill the medications, insurance will not cover them and they are their cost prohibitive for many that wish to go that route. It is particularly hard on those on the east side and away from the bigger cities. It is a burden for very sick patients to have to travel long distances to be seen.
So while I am very glad that Oregon citizens have that choice, I wish it was more easily accessible for them. Still a long way to go... :-/
in my current state, the threat of becoming paralyzed is an every day fear. i have been told that if i don't get surgery, i will likely wake up one day and just never move again, if i get the surgery, one of the possibilities is becoming paralyzed as well. my biggest personal fear(one that doesnt involve my kids or my mom) has always been becoming a vegetable. if that happens, i have already asked those closest to me to put an end to it. ii don't know that when the time comes they will be able to bring themselves to do it. i guess this wouldnt help me much tho if i was paralyzed since i would have no way of getting myself into it, but its still nice that the option would be available to others who could access it.
Seems like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Yes, I have the same fear, with the added complication of becoming blind.... I know my children would be willing to do this, but it is not legal in our state. It should be legal and available everywhere!
This mode is too reminicent of the Nazis for me. What if they were used for the wrong reason?
What wrong reason? You mean to kill someone? Like with knives, guns, belts or scarves?
Is a society like the one in "Logan's Run" far away? I envision "Mercy" clinics where people can go for euthanization if their reason for leaving is valid. They'd provide you with a last wish and then expire you. It's your decision. I think it's better than shooting up a bunch of people and then offing yourself or many other means of testing the belief in an afterlife. Crictical illness isn't the only reason we should say yes to. That only says that we all should be afraid to die when that isn't the case. Who knows? Maybe one of us will be resurrected? LOL!
Religion considers suicide a mortal sin does it not? There are many campaigns ongoing for such things as assisted dying, common sense should dictate that this should be a real choice, but the where and how of it will always be controversial.
I would support this if done properly.
Dignitas comes to mind, someone has it right.
In various ‘do it yourself’ forms, it already exists. I was thinking just yesterday how I’d end it when the time comes..? Don’t know that I’d waste the money on ‘a pod,’ just as I’d rather not have it consumed by a ‘for profit hospital.’ ...and I don’t want to leave too much of a mess
I believe in assisted suicide as long as it is professionally handled. one of my worst fears in getting something that incacitates me and puts my son in a position of caring for me for years.
I voted but why haven;t you got an option for "yes okay that is humane", in the vote ????
Seems biased otherwise
When terminally ill sometimes it's the most humane choice and that is when it's valid
I was trying to keep it simple lol. I'll make sure I'm more comprehensive with my polling options just for you ?
I would expect that after the person is dead they either bury them or cremate them.
In the capsule. Neat, no mess, no cost to the survivors.
I agree ...neat...no leaks...is best. @Spinliesel
You sure it wasn't futurama ? Whatever it is it should be monitored you don't want anyone using them . Terminally ill have a right to choose . People who are deceased need oth help etc
Mwahahahaha that was typed depressed why it says deceased is a brilliant typo !!!
Anyone, even healthy people, should be able to die when they want to, especially if not burdening others (i.e., not on taxpayers' money).
I did think about Futurama when I saw this, funnily enough but this is legit something they've made a reality.
Washington State also has assisted suicide laws but you have to be terminally ill and have less that 6 months to live (or something similar).
I think people should be able to make their own choices on when to die regardless of illness. Who are any of us to say that your pain isn't significant enough for you to make that choice?
My parents talked for decades about saving up pills so they could die when they felt that their lives weren't worth living. My father died a little over a year ago at 89, not by a way of his choosing. The last few years of his life were not worth living by his personal standards (or mine) and he made everyone around him (mostly my mother) misereable. He lost his intellect, memory, and was very frail physically. He wasn't able to catch that moment when he knew his quality of life was going to rapidly decline before he became too demented and paranoid to take any action.
I don't want that to happen to me. I want to be able to make that choice myself. I want my BFF to be able to help me die and / or make that choice for me without legal jeapardy for her.
It depends on what the situation is. Terminal illnesses and maybe Alzheimer's (while the person is in their right mind) or Parkinson's.