I blame social media for most of the anti vax nonsense. People believe the FB gurus over real science and the advice of the medical,profession.

@Marionville The problem with my friends is that they simply don't listen, watch or read any media. To them everything is a lie and can't be believed. One of them told me that the vaccinated were the ones getting sick. I asked her where she got that information and she said friends or friends of friends. They are too busy with their goats, chickens and garden. However, she is a naturopath and has clients. The screws are tightening and this sign has been installed on all the main islands. She might not be able to work with people without getting vaccinated.

@JackPedigo I don’t believe she is typical…at least not in the part of the world I live…you’d have to be a recluse to not know what was going on. Everyone watches TV and I don’t think many people here distrust the government or media on principle, but are being persuaded by online sources and friends who listen to blogs and self appointed experts online and decide to believe them rather than official government information and advice.

@Marionville They are unusual. They live in a wooded area (near a main road) but do not have plumbing in the house. They still use an outhouse and outside shower. There is a old wood burning stove in the house with a small kitchen but the main kitchen is a covered spot outside. They are not poor but choose to live this way. I once came into some money and bought 4 large water cisterns. He hooked them up to collect rainwater. He also installed a pump/filtering system and plans to run plumbing to the house but it is not a priority. This is an island and there are people who live like this (probably even in your area) but very few.
The sad part is they have a daughter with an 8 year old daughter. She lives in a comfortable cottage. She has lost the opportunity for several great jobs because she refuses to get vaccinated. No one ever stops to think about the child. She did find a pt job with the county but the county just implemented a rule that any worker or even volunteer has to be vaccinated.

They can be stupid and refuse vaccination if they wish..that is always their choice, despite what many of them say, there is no country forcing vaccination on people who are unwilling. If they just kept their crackpot views to themselves I’d not have any quarrel with them, but when they actively promote the disinformation and constantly post about the dangers of vaccination..now that makes me really angry!

@Marionville

Hey in my maritime provinces, our leader said he aims is to make life impossible for unvaccinated people. Closed down schooling, their jobs and food supplies and so on.
Only 94 deaths after 18 month. Wail 5000 people die in 12 month of heart disease. As its gotten much worst of heart exam just by phones. Too many heart Surgery on a waiting list will die at record levels. There is also 10 other greater ways to die than covid.
This is Criminal with no decency to the top degree

The long term effects of Coronavirus are serious and debilitating and if vaccination means that there is a much lower risk of being seriously ill and it’s attendant long term health problems in Long Covid which are already evident in a considerable number of those who have had the virus..they seem very similar to ME…then getting vaccinated is a better bet than not. The cure cannot be worse than the disease that is patently nonsense, as death is percentage wise vastly more likely without vaccination than with it even before considering the long term health problems possible after recovery.

With no vaccines for any of the world’s killer illnesses our life expectancy would still be around 40, and what was hailed over the past century and a half as the most successful medical advance in relation to human life span is now being scoffed at by people who don’t understand the science or how without the childhood vaccination programmes of the early to mid 20th century it’s entirely possible we and our parents would never have survived childhood. This vaccine like the smallpox and all the others is a life saver, and the scientists and politicians are not in some giant world plot to vaccinate us for some unknown nefarious purpose. That is the stuff of madness and paranoia!

@Marionville I long ago gave up engaging with BDair - he seems to me to be severely allergic to both facts and reason.

@Marionville Every stage of COVID, including 'Long Haulers', has been successfully treated with Ivermectin and other therapeutics. The vaccines are causing thousands of irreversible disabilities. The long term effects of the vaccines are unknowable at this point. They have also proven ineffective at preventing infection or spread of a virus. This is well documented, and is readily apparent in the situation in Israel and other countries where a high percentage of the population has been vaccinated.

Some facts and reason.

@BDair I guess you think all the governments in all the countries in the world, and the overwhelming opinion of the vast majority of scientists who agree with using the vaccines are wrong and the minority like you who dissent and believe differently are right. We are never going to agree…so I think it’s pointless to continue bandying words.

The vast majority of the doctors and scientist that you are allowed to hear from. There is an equal number of doctors, virologists, and scientists with an opposing viewpoint which have been agressively censored.

It’s a very sad and sorry state of affairs that due to their own stubborn belief that the vaccine is either an unnecessary protection against COVID-19, an imposition on their civil rights and liberties, or an evil invasive alien substance …depending on their actual mental state, that they are more likely than the vaccinated to become critically ill. but it is still their right to be treated in hospital, and to be given the best treatment possible. We can’t turn people away because they made the wrong decision to ignore or reject the official advice. That would mean we could use the same argument against smokers, drug addicts and the overweight.

We’ve got three or four members here who don’t seem aware I’m afraid. Luckily one of them seems to have blocked me this morning so I’ll be spared seeing some of their rants on vaccine misinformation..

Yes…people keep banging on about the high number of deaths due to the vaccine whereas in reality as a percentage of vaccinations delivered it is minuscule.

What a complete load of utter nonsense…just what parallel universe are you living in to the rest of us, and what exactly are you watching and reading to get such a distorted view of the facts?

@Marionville
Don't believe me, check it out for yourself. Covid death worldwide at the end of 2020 under 2 million. Roll out vaccines started 2021 til now August 4. 48 million covid death. India delta variant came from UK vaccines. The leading vaccined countries is UK and Israel. Israel hospitalized 60 age + are 87%, vaccinated with cases of covid.

After killing all the animals tested. I am not insane enough to be the next guinea pig sciences experiment for Pfizer's the most highest sued corporations in the world. You sign something you can't sue them if you die from these vaccines.

Still dumber than a stump, I see.....

@AnneWimsey

There is a lot of stupid people within the popular narrative. If you don't bother to match or add anys facts or evidences toward these discussion. Then all this slandering and name calling is weak BS, and it serves both of us a big waste of time. Sometimes it makes me wonder. If you one of these vaccine hesitate programed computer robots.

@Castlepaloma I drove 11 miles one-way in a Howling blizzard to get my first shot back in March....you?

@AnneWimsey

I am back for my second shot after the bar tender gets back from his breck. Went through two wind bags and bleeding heart shit storms. This covid insanity can drive a man to drink.

@Marionville I have given up on the sack of hammers that is Castlepaloma.

@anglophone sadly I think I’ll do likewise!

Of course…any intelligent person should already realise that.