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We are a collection of atheists, agnostics and free thinkers many of us are humanitarian and pursue equal rights for all. We see equality and providing the same quality of life to be a basic human right. My question is how many here out of similar ethical reasoning are vegetarian or vegan to prevent suffering to sentient creatures ?

dextermorgan75 4 Aug 28
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I tend to eat vegetarian for a variety of reasons, including the treatment of animals. I think it is healthier for all of us, including the planet. It is also cheaper, which is a contributing factor for my choices. I serve meat when my kids come for dinner, and I eat whatever they cook when I am at their house.

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I do limit my meat intake in many ways. But if you are concerned about animal suffering, then the best way to prevent that would be to create and increase a demand for meat produced to high animal welfare standards. A lot of farmed meat is produced with great cruelty, but demanding high quality animal care in the meat you eat, would be a far better way to reform that, than total veganism. Most wild animals also live short lives of great suffering, so that turning over the land and other resources used to farm meat back to nature, would hardly be a reduction in suffering either. Perhaps the most happy and suffering free creatures, are those who are regularly hunted, since ( some ) human hunters, are the only predators who actually take care to kill quickly without suffering, and regular culling cuts down on the population pressures which cause the famine, disease, high infant mortality and other things which are the main source of misery in wild creatures. There is a good case therefore to be made for a, wild game and roadkill only, diet.

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I eat little meat but I don't see how that relates to believing in an imaginary super-being,

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I am vegetarian. I do not like to kill or eat my fellow animals.

Didn't you ever hear a carrot cry when you cut it open?

@barjoe: No. Plants, unlike animals, have no brains and no consciousness. I eat plants without any unnecessary sympathy.

@Scott321 if you have never tried Impossible Meat, it's soy based, and really good.

@BestWithoutGods Deforestation for, cultivation, harvesting, and transportation of vegetables causes the death and suffering of animals as well. It is quite possible that someone who hunts a deer or raises a cow for slaughter and grows his own vegetables kills WAY fewer animals than most vegetarians. Categorical elimination of animal products from your diet is not the best path to reduce animal suffering.

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I’m sympathetic to it but I eat meat, chicken and fish mostly but even with that I eat it sparingly.
I’m ill informed on how to maintain a healthy vegetarian or vegan diet and I know it. Plant based meat substitutes cost more than meat so it’s like getting punished for making the effort if money is any kind of consideration as it is for me.
Besides that piece of chicken in my salad was dead way before I considered entering the restaurant, it would be a shame and the waste of an innocent chickens life to not eat it.

If there was no market for chicken meat, there would be many fewer chickens in this world.

@Willow_Wisp @anglophone
I'm wondering if that was a tongue-in-cheek comment, because I've not known Willow to make a logically indefensible argument in earnest.

@JeffMurray I enjoy @Willow_Wisp's gentle humour.

@JeffMurray Well I'm not known for my lack of practicality.

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I am not vegan (yet). However, I stopped eating red meat 15 years ago.

I've been a non-red meat eater for most of my life, having given it up on my 18th birthday. I think I'm much healthier for it, and don't have the guilt of harming the environment, or sentient mammals.

@Organist1 I've had an imagination for years that cows are my relatives. There's definitely something to the idea.

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Vegans assume that plant life don’t suffer in anyway. There is no way to be certain that they don’t now is there!? 🤔

Of course there is. They don't have brains or central nervous systems.

@LovinLarge You assume life forms need brains or a nervous system to be sentient....can you offer any scientific evidence that “proves” this?! 🤔

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Take a look at the veg groups here to make an assessment. Near vegetarian., Not a fanatic, but I draw the line at anything that has a highly developed nervous system. I will eat a cockroach raw before I'll consume anything that can communicate suffering. As science updates, so will I adjust.

What happens when we discover plants can communicate suffering (spoiler, some scientists say they already have)?
Give Jainism a go?

@JeffMurray I must eat to survive & plants have son sensory attributes . However they are not highly developed & plants are where the nutrition I need. Not corporate food sources that manipulate us with sugar laden death products. 3 Whoppers a day with chees, fries & a super sized coca cola is not nutrition. Gluttony, satiation, addiction & manipulation are killing Americans. Obesity, diabetes, pancreatitis, are the results. We are ancient Rome redux.

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Welcome to the asylum. Enjoy your stay.

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I'm never giving up my steak.

Nor me!

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When I eat meat I eat fish 90% of the time. This is mostly for ethical reasons. Though I do not think eating meat is necessarily unethical.

its also the healthy road. i live on the filet wrapped "natural" salmon and talapia from walmarts seafood freezer. schrimp too for a change up. live long and prosper

@holdenc98 Yeah the secondary reason is health, though shellfish is unfortunately off the menu due to allergies.

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I don't think you know what a "Right" is. You seem to be seeking equal wealth among all, and that certainly is not a right.

Did I say anything about money anywhere in my post ? Nope learn to read please and think before you comment.

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I don't eat mammals. I could live with just seafood and if l had to l could live with being vegan. I have found a veggie sausage and hamburger patty which l like very much. I am sure they will get even better at this.

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I don't eat mammals, and I suppose there's room for improvement from there. Vegetarianism sounds doable.

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ok this is just me. Dexter Morgan as a vegan tickles my funny bone. 😊
For me - I eat at least half my meals vegan mostly for health.

Half of most of my meals are vegan, too. The half of the plate that has the baked potato and asparagus sides for my grilled ribeye!

@JeffMurray lol! 😃 well that is one way to interpret my statement.

@Donna_I And I guess even my joke was a lie. I forgot I never eat baked potatoes vegan. I smother them in butter and sour cream, sometimes add bacon and cheese too.

Why couldn't Dexter be a vegan or vegetarian just because he kills humans. Human beings are a plague the most violent destructive creatures and mostly driven by greed.

@JeffMurray well you can always have a salad with a vegan dessing to make it up! 😋 or just step back to a half vegetarian meal (if you leave the bacon off). 😁

@dextermorgan75 He could be but as a sociopath I would think it wouldn't be for altruistic motives after all the code from his dad was because he was caught killing animals as a kid.

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Welcome aboard.

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I eat meat when I have to, but mostly veggie. Vegan is a lifestyle I can't afford to live.

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If the goal is the reduction of suffering of animals, the best things you can possibly do are not reproduce, and eat as small of a quantity of responsibly-sourced calories as possible. The categorical elimination of animal products from your diet is nothing but a banner that reads: I'm more interested in looking like a good person than doing what's right.

@Scott321 It's also the best thing you can do for the environment by a factor of 25. Any time someone with kids tells me I shouldn't be driving a supercharged Cobra or I should be recycling, I get to tell them to go fuck themselves because they're way worse for the environment than I could ever be.

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equal rights and equality. its a huge error to confuse these two. if equals ate equals, they would not be equal, now would they?

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Me. Totally against animal cruelty.
Besides, red meat, etc., is bad for you.
Milk and eggs only.

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Oh boy. You're one of those.

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If ethical reasoning is the dominant determinant of human decorum then simply subtracting human is this sentient sentence's sentence.

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I tend to eat meat like I always did before but I try to make better choices of it. My opinion of where Corona virus came from seems to favor bad conditions in animal slaughter and I have recently noticed that some bacon is not really fit for human consumption. Greed has done this to us. Everybody is competing to be your food provider now and not enough vegan.

I also feel some bacon is not fit for my plate, I prefer all the bacon.

@JeffMurray I have to have a big enough plate so all the bacon will fit, for my consumption.

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Welcome to colorful Colorado, my ethical brother. I get to Pueblo once a month and have family there. Please let me know if I may be of any assistance to you.

I pass by fort Collins five days a week going to work in Colorado springs

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My poultry enjoy their lives while they are alive. I enjoy eating them once I have slaughtered and cooked them.

The prevention of suffering to sentient creatures would including banning motorised transport, this to avoid the deaths of billions on insects on windscreens every year, as well as the banning of wind farms for the same reason.

Insects? How about all the adorable squirrels, chipmunks, bunnies, geese, turtles, etc. that get run over every minute. How about all of the animals that die as a result of deforestation to plant crops and to build roads to drive those crops to market? How about all of the animals that die from our pollution and garbage? The very existence of human life is antithetical to the reduction of suffering for just about every other living thing on the planet.

@JeffMurray I'll happily buy your line.

@anglophone Yeah, rereading it, it sounds like I should have ended it with, "Eat Arby's".

@anglophone Fuck, now I want an Arby's roast beef smothered in Arby's sauce.

@JeffMurray I'll see your roast beef, and I'll raise you pork tenderloin. 😉

@anglophone See that!

@anglophone I do my pork tenderloin with port wine reduction, how about you?

@JeffMurray Sometimes with an orange sauce, sometimes with a plum sauce, and occasionally with a mild mustard sauce. Yum!

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