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In a previous posting on whether people. were truly agnostics having joined up to the group, I discovered a whole spectrum of belief and non belief in agnosticism.

This post is on the following question
What attracts you about this forum EITHER
a)initially OR
b) overthe years

Mcflewster 8 Oct 18
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Tell me where there is a better site with less nonsense, and I will go to it.

First World War saying "If yer know a better hole....go to it!!!"

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I joined for community.
I stay for the community.
No matter how many people block me.
😉😁

((Hugs))

@KKGator

Love you! You are a joy.

@OldMetalHead @anglophone @LiterateHiker

Thank you!!
You are all part of the reasons I stay.
😘

Anyone who blocks you does themselves a disservice. Also, Matias is a total douche.

@LovinLarge Thank you!
You're also correct about the douchenozzle.
😘😁

You are awesome!

@Holysocks Thanks!
Rightbackatcha!

You are one of the people that keeps me coming back. I like your no nonsense approach to life! 😉

@Redheadedgammy Same!
❤❤

@KKGator

Thank you so much!

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As a lifelong atheist, environmentalist and Democrat, I live in a conservative, rural part of Washington State. I feel like a fish out of water.

There is no atheist group in Wenatchee. I went online and searched for an atheist website and forum.

Agnostic.com popped up. I joined in October 2017 and forgot about it.

In January 2018, I wrote my first post. In the headline I asked a question. It got over 100 likes and replies! Delighted, I continued reading Agnostic.com and posting.

People seem to like my hiking stories and pictures, recipes, humor and absurd dating snafus. Fast forward and I have 210 followers.

It’s better to be yourself than being a lame Conformist.

Conformists aren’t themselves. They allow themselves to become conditioned into being something they aren’t.

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Why am I here and why do I stay? I live in Georgia and am surrounded by religion and its nice to communicate with non-religious people even if its only via the internet.

Though initially I did think that I might actually make a friend or two here. So far, I have only made one friend though that person lives over an hour drive from me since I moved so we never see each other now.

Also, I like online social media and this forum is free of the advertisements that I see on Facebook and there are fewer idiots here.

I really like you a lot and enjoy reading your comments. You have many truly admirable qualities. My personal circumstances don't allow me to put the time into relationships that they deserve so I had to end the relationships I started here. It comforts me to know that you exist. Anyone would be very fortunate to have you as a friend.

@LovinLarge Thank you very much. That's kind of you to say. 🙂

@Charles1971 My very best wishes to you Charles, you are a fine human being.

I have never met one single person from here in the flesh, so that tells me that using this site for dating, at least in my state of the union, is useless, and so is the site for even making offline friends in my local area. But I have heard that others living in less religious areas of the country do find dating partners and friends from here nearby.

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As an agnostic retired church music director and organist, I have found great freedom in being able to express my non-beliefs to others who are non-judgmental as far as religion goes. Keeping all that to myself was a heavy burden, which is now more relieved in retirement. Luckily, my son is of the same mind that I am, though he was always free to believe whatever he wanted.

But everyone here is NOT non-judgemental. But here is certainly less so, than most Christian groups.

I would hope nobody here would judge me negatively for being a non-Xtian.

@Organist1
I grew up as a Mormon, and am now assistant manager at a liquor store. Most of us never judge.

@MsKathleen

I blocked enough MAGA idiots that they don't hassle me anymore. 🙂

@Holysocks I tell people openly that I'm unequipped for judging anyone. Except 45 (who must who up in every conversation) who is evil.

@LiterateHiker I block people for two reasons: being offensive to me or others, or repeatedly making annoying, ignorant posts. From my perspective, obviously. Everyone can feel free to block me for the same, or other, reasons.

@Organist1 I have already stated why I block people. I suppose that makes ME judgmental. But I would never block anyone just because they disagree with me, or have a different perspective.

@MsKathleen

MAGA idiots called me mean names like "libtard" for being a Democrat. Insulting members is against community guidelines.

@LiterateHiker yes, that falls under the category of “being offensive”, for which I block people, regardless of their target.

@LiterateHiker The name-calling ones seem to lack any substantive thought or rational argument on the issue at hand. So, they resort to name calling and trite labeling, as they did in second grade.

@Holysocks I sometimes find it very difficult not to judge.

@Mcflewster Of course you do. We are conditioned from a very early age to do so. And it is very difficult to overcome. This is why we must admit that we do it. And apologize when necessary.

@LiterateHiker I take being called (which almost never happens) as a compliment.

@MsKathleen We might actually be hard-wired to do that, but it no longer has survival value as it once might have, when early people had to drive out dangerous interlopers.

@Organist1 We are obligated to live with today’s “dangerous interlopers”. Mostly because we have created them, most often through neglect. Mass murderers are not born; they are created.

@MsKathleen Would it be possible to condition people in general not to be offended by a judgement as long as one has the right to reply? If we could achieve this it would be chocks away for critical thinking!

@Mcflewster I don’t know that I want to “condition” people, but perhaps we could teach a more Zen way of dealing with our (emotional) reactions? I did not learn that at school OR home and it took most of my life for me to finally get there most o& the time. As for general critical thinking, I recall being taught that in school. When my daughter attended primary school and the first year of middle school in Michigan, critical thinking was still being taught. When we moved to California early in 1981, at the local Los Angeles school it was not, so I decided to put her in a private school. My son was born late in 1982 and, as I was working, he went to Montessori for daycare. We tried the “California Distinguished School” in our upscale Glendale neighborhood for grade 1. At the first parent-teacher conference after ten weeks of school, the teacher told us “he will be reading at a second grade level at the end of the school year”. I responded that I hoped not, because her was reading at a third grade level when he got there. She also said, ‘he wanders around the room a lot”. When asked if he was completing his work, she said, “oh yes, he’s getting “A”s in everything. So, I told her she needed to give him something to do, because he was bored. By the end of his school year, my cheerful, outgoing six year old was withdrawn and sad. He was basically told to “sit down and shut up” every day of first grade. I insisted that he had to go back to Montessori, and he subsequently went to a Waldorf school for middle school and an all boys’ Catholic high school. Although he was not Catholic, he had to attend religion class. It was a good education, and a good education about Catholicism. And he learned critical thinking, as did his sister. It was expensive, but worth it. Both of my children are university graduates. University was not the norm in my family. None of my brother’s children attended college. My sister’s two both started late, but are degreed. I am proud of all of the kids of that generation who worked for it. Three of my four grand children have university degrees, one of whom has earned her Doctorate, and is currently doing her Surgical Residency in western Michigan. I believe the KIND of education one gets matters…and makes a difference in thought process.

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Having been here from very early on (I left for a while, then returned fairly recently), I thought agnostic.com was for agnostics; it turned out to be mostly atheists, many of whom are “militantly” so, much like the Christian evangelicals in their behavior. Atheism (of which agnosticism is a subset) is fine with me, but one member blocked me because I am not an “atheist” according to his definition, rather than try to have a conversation. I am not 100% certain of ANYTHING, but as regards belief systems, I acknowledge the improbability of there being any god(s). I think it more important to examine human behavior in the context of religion, rather than argue about who, if anyone, should be a believer/non-believer, and try to find ways to acknowledge our common morality, particularly in the context of “fixing” the world, both physically and socially. There are many problems that need solving, and all the arguing is just wasting time.

Being blocked for not being atheist "enough", strikes me as being as stupid as xtians ragging on others for not being christy-enough.

Glad you decided to return.
😉

@KKGator there have been times when I took things (here) personally. I like to think that I have matured. Thank you for being glad.

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What attracted me initially was the genuine dialog, dealing with many personal, philosophical. and social, and political issues and topics. To me, it formed an interesting, caring, and thinking community with whom we could share. It was of great value.

Over the years, the percentage of genuine, sincere, caring and thinking people on the sit has decreased dramatically. Also the sense of open dialog among all has declined greatly as the site has formed narrow and some echo chamber groups. But, there are enough people on the site whom I consider to be thinking and caring people interested in genuine sharing of life and its issues to keep me involved.

I completely agree. There used to be several people in several chat rooms ever night too. The conversations were fun and friendly. Now-a-days, no one enters the chat rooms and I find a lot of criticism of everybody and everything: A negative vibe. But occasionally, I find something interesting to comment on or to post.

@MyTVC15 Negative vibe?
Hey I can't help it if the place is infested with pigheaded, narrow-minded, reactionary right-wing, fascist, nihilistic atheists! 😀

@Storm1752 There are some here that WOULD like to help you out of this train of thought. No Guarantees!

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I'm not an agnostic . I'm an atheist.

YOU SURE? If you are that's fine!

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Not having to be careful of what I said around religious people in case I offended them.
The memes, jokes, groups that I can join to discuss what ever I want.

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There are good discussions the lack of tots and pears is great.

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I enjoy the company of people who (largely) live in the real world.

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Just to get an overview of what others believe and why and offer my comments and opinion from time to time for what it's worth.

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Where else would any like minded person be except here, most definitely NOT on Suckerbook (aka Facebook) or attending Church, that IS for certain.

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I was first attracted by the prospect of discussion without religion. As time went on I was turned off by the excessive discussion on religion.

I am quite tired of the “atheists vs believers” excess, myself. This is why I am drawn to the posts of @Skado, who tries to make the conversation about (a) the evolution of belief and 🍺 thoughtful posts about an alternate perspective from both sides of the “argument”.

I agree wholeheartedly. The last thing I want to discuss on an agnostic website is religion.

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At first it was the smouldering, sweet scent of senescence from the oxidation of omega 7 unsaturated fatty acids.

Then, once agnosticism had swept me up in it's ineluctable thrall, I just didn't know any more.

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I get a lot of interesting news/facts/information unavailable elsewhere.
It's caused my perceptions, attitudes, opinions, etc., to evolve. In fact, I'm not even sure I AM agnostic anymore. More of a "Neo-Deist," which might be the same thing, because I still don't KNOW if what I think is "true," just that my OPINIONS are more specific, exact, and focused, as it were.
There's lots of humor.
In general, lots of "stuff" to interact with, helping me feel more connected to the human race. Otherwise I'm reclusive and almost completely cut off from humanity!
So I appreciate that.

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to answer questions a, and b,
a) I came, I saw, I liked, I joined, I've stayed,
b) I've stayed because I like the site, the people, most of them that is, the conversations/discussions/debates, the various Groups and I've made numerous friends here as well.
Now, answer honestly,
a) Why are you asking, and,
b) Why are you here?

I choose c. It's one of the important letters in the word cheese.

@Holysocks And " Blessed are the Cheese-makers for they shall always have cheese toasties," LOL.

@Triphid
They might have been referring to dairy producers of all sorts...

Good Questions!
Because I love finding out things about all people IF they will let me
To do the above.

@Mcflewster But, to learn first one must be open-minded enough to actually learn rather than merely dismiss that which does not suit your personal agenda, would agree or disagree with that?

@Triphid I think I am open minded but please test me.

@Mcflewster Test yourself and start by teaching yourself to think outside the box.

@Triphid Can we test each other On Chat ? i.e not public

@Mcflewster On chat, why are you afraid that my testing will show you up or something?
Public or not at all IS my method.

@Triphid That is a good resolve .I want to be as open as possible.
However in trying to show this bravado I may have hit upon a method that if a third person read whatever was written it is possible IMO that it may upset or disturb that person. So I regretfully withdraw my offer and ask that you judge me by whatever I have already written. Openness is eventually good but perhaps should not be bragged about in a forum. Need a response to this.

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Babes. 🙂

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I'm here because I want to be.

I'm here because if I wasn't, I would be somewhere else.

There is nothing wrong with having a subconscious.

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"Belief and non-belief in agnosticism" is confusing to me. Because the very definition of an agnostic is one who eschews belief and is waiting for more information. I count myself as an agnostic because I TRY to avoid any and all beliefs.

Surely it is very difficult not to believe in anything

@Mcflewster You're right, it is difficult. But part of that is the semantics. I don't believe in gravity. But if I hold a book out from my body and let go, it drops. So, I have to accept that gravity works. But dammit, nobody can prove how it works. So I refuse to "believe" it. I simply have this "hot button" about believing shit.

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I came to see what it was like and hoped to meet a non-believing fella. I soon found that the coolest guys were halfway across the United States so I stayed for the adult,non-judgmental,interesting and mostly intelligent conversation. Of course the really funny memes helped as well (especially the ones about Trump).

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I don't normally click on ads that appear on Facebook, but the Agnostic.com ad intrigued me. It seemed to offer a community for discussions with like like-minded individuals on a variety of subjects. I joined in March of 2018.

I liked the idea that it offered a choice - to label oneself as looking for a love interest and/or just here for the community. It's not just a singles site, so there is no pressure. To me, that makes it a comfortable place to gather online, with no expectations.

At first, I thought, sure why not say I'm interested in dating, since I had just left a bad relationship, but I quickly changed it to friends only. I'm geographically pretty far away from most to even think about a romantic connection. Any good love interest should have the ability for friendship anyway.

I do like the opportunity to be able to read the comments and posts from people to get a feeling for their intellectual maturity, capacity for compassion, sense of humor and various other things to know about a person in order to know whether I'd ever like to meet them in real life anyway. There are some members here who are obnoxious.

In some ways I like the fact that I don't know anyone here personally, so I might share things that I wouldn't share on a forum where people know me, such as Facebook. I can trust that no one will suggest I pray on my situation and God will fix it. I enjoy learning how to solve my problems by using human reason and the advice from others who have successfully solved similar problems.

I look at the site nearly daily for interesting discussion topics that I can skip over, read and learn from, or possibly contribute my thoughts on the subjects. Sometimes I feel like sharing, sometimes just absorbing. I appreciate that there is humor along with heavy subjects, and we can pick and choose what we feel like reading.

I believe there are many good people here and some who are still finding their way. We are all at different stages in our lives, many of us have lots to learn and/or lots to share. I enjoy reading the posts even if I don't contribute all that often.

Thank you for such a full report!

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Agnostic.com called my attention for the variety of activities. Like for example community, dating and small groups related to a specific interest.

There is a life to be lived after leaving a christian world.
So I began searching where my disbelief belonged.
I feel graceful to be in a secular - non believer community.
Reading everyone's comments like some of them very positive, negatives or destructive is helping me to polish my thoughts.

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The fact that there’s like minded people here with the same views on religion as myself.

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The intelligence of most of the people here and discussions about politics and social issues that don't have Jesus brought into the equation.

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a)Spirit related discussions along with alternative discussion of current events from Facebook or Twitter. I'm actually finding that I don't like either of those platforms.
b)Conversation, learning, and humor. The very act of questioning God means we are all using a certain band of intelligence that others don't so the atmosphere is more heady (let's say).

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