Who believes in the Big bang scientific creation myth? I understand a lot of my atheist friends put their faith in it.
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The "lighthouse effect" understanding, gives for causation of red shift caused by a light source that is spinning or rotating. The light leaves light house creating the shape of a spiral
Stars spin and have rotation causing a lot of the light leaving the star to produce the lighthouse effect. Observers far from light source observe the spiral arms expanding without taking into account for lighthouse effect causation.
Observation of red shift at a distance and not taking into consideration the causation, the lighthouse effect, will give an apparence of what is called "spacetime" expansion.
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It's not a myth to have faith in. It's simply the most likely answer based on what we've observed about the universe. Should new and provable information come to light that would change the whole theory, that would be what I would accept as the most likely possibility.
It always annoys me when people consider science something to believe or have faith in.
Now that is spot on! Word went hmm but only because he doesn't have a fucking clue in his witless mind, so he does that a lot, take no offense from the village idiot.
We don't know if the Big Bang happened or not. All we really know is that it's at least possible since it doesn't violate any of the physical laws that govern the universe. It's certainly possible that something else accounts for the creation of the universe but how can we know what that might've been since reality as we understand it didn't exist in the millisecond prior to the creation of the universe. Still, if someone speculates on a theory that respects physics, it can at least be heard and discussed as a possibility.
What we do know is that it wasn't pulled from the ass of some eternal being in the sky using his limitless magical powers.
I have to smile when someone on a chat site such as this tells the greatest scientific minds in the world that they are talking rubbish.
A recent BBC series entitled "Universe" fronted by professor Brian Cox went into great detail on the most up to date scientific theories on the origin of the universe.
Maybe you should watch it.
It's unlikely that anyone will ever prove precisely how/if the universe began. The Big Bang is simply the best theory that anyone has come up with so far to explain how it might have happened. A multitude of scientists have worked on this theory, refined it, and added to it and I'm fairly certain that they all far more knowledgeable on astrophysics than you or me.
I am reasonably certain that a magic space wizard did not create the universe.
So, could the universe have began some other way? Maybe but the Big Bang Theory is probably at least in the ballpark of being correct.
Though maybe the universe simply has always existed, circling forever in an infinite loop of space and time.
Maybe its something else entirely that is so beyond our current level of scientific understanding that we could not possibly comprehend it.
But, for all that it matters, we might as well just go with the Big Bang Theory since nobody else has a more plausible theory.
Your "...has always existed, circling forever in an infinite loop of space and time" is much like the astronomer Edwin Hubble's "unbounded in space and time".
There is no way to prove if the Big Bang Theory postulated by modern physics is true and there is no way to prove that it is untrue. Hitherto, there is no incontrovertible conclusive proof as to the origin of the universe. However, from a rational perspective some model is certainly better than no model. Doubltess, with the passage of time the model will be tweaked.
Atheism should really have no connection with physics, whatever the theories. Since atheism is concerned with the issue of whether there is a supernatural or not, which is faith based, and science is only concerned with the natural. If all the scientific theories about everything were proved to be wrong, ( And certainly I am informed by people who have more knowledge of it than me, that the big bang is a lot more doubtful than many. ) that would not prove god, only that a new scientific theory was needed. While if apologists found a conclusive proof of the existence of a creator god, that would not disprove any scientific theories, but would only ask what method the god used for creation.
Science may disprove, ( To a reasonable level, if you do not embrace extremes such as total solipsism. ) the truth of certain ideas about the nature of god, such as the idea that god is accurately described in certain books like the bible. But that can also be disproved by history, philosophy, mathematics, textural study, logic and a dozen other disciplines anyway.
All righty then, Lol.
"Big bang scientific creation myth". Similar to the "scientific gravity myth", the "scientific speed of light myth", the "scientific quantum theory myth", etc., Okay, honestly that last one may actually be a myth.
I'm extremely curious, what's your favored creation myth, the universe on the back of a giant turtle?
No, I would say "something " has always existed. Much beyond that I have not much "theorized" to explain from eternity past to the now.
Not a myth, a science based theory. Science theories can change, grow,, develop, and even be dropped, because it is fucking science. Calling it a myth sounds like denying something in the Universe happened. It sounds like something a secret creationist would want to spread.
Carl Sagan is a "secret creationist "? At 2 minutes 50 seconds he clearly says "the big bang is our modern scientific creation myth "
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Whether myth or fact matters little in either urgency to know or everyday life; just like gods and such. I actually get a 'big bang' out of reading the nonsensical arguing over it.
I believe that the universe is infinite in time, with the big bang being the beginning of the current expansion cycle. which will be followed by a contraction cycle marked by a huge black hole becomes so gorged with matter and energy that it explodes, creating a new big bang. .
I call it a SCIENTIFIC theory. Thus, I mostly find ot plausible. If science finds too many holes, then we adjust.
It could be a myth, created by our maker, a middle school kid who put us together as a science fair project. We came in third and are now sitting on a self in her closet. We are all just Sims.
Use to be interesting...now its like, what difference does it make in my life???
Expanding Universe?
. . . if redshifts are velocity shifts which measure the rate of expansion, the expanding models are definitely inconsistent with the observations that have been made . . . expanding models are a forced interpretation of the observational results. — E. Hubble, Ap. J., 84, 517, 1936
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“If the red shifts are a Doppler shift . . . the observations as they stand lead to the anomaly of a closed universe, curiously small and dense, and, it may be added, suspiciously young.
“On the other hand, if red shifts are not Doppler effects, these anomalies disappear and the region observed appears as a small, homogeneous, but insignificant portion of a universe extended indefinitely in both space and time.“
— E. Hubble, 1937 Royal Astronomical Society Monthly Notices.
That would appear something rather correct to view it.
The two relativity myths, Special and General. He didn’t even try to write testable hypotheses, let alone test any.
Please enlighten me with your Big Bang knowledge.
The Big Bang myth is a multi-billion dollar taxpayer-funded industry. The people it benefits financially will do everything they can to keep the industry funded.
@yvilletom How is the Big Bang an industry?
@Alienbeing How does your dictionary define “industry”?
@yvilletom Probably the same way yours does. I don't see an industry in a theory, but I do see your wise guy reply.
@Alienbeing Your omitting "myth" when you asked "How is the Big Bang an industry?" bothered me.
@yvilletom So what were you referring to when you used the word "myth".
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@yvilletom I have something you can stretch. I guess you can't back up your remark and I really don't care that much.
@Alienbeing You see my wise guy reply? I see your rude reply.