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A school of thought states that everything is determined, preordained, and measurable. This rather blunt message for humanity would lead one to think that we are just living the chapters in a book already written. I listen and read to arguments espousing this, but I would like to offer some thoughts on why this is incorrect.
The Laws of Physics tell us about measuring all that is within the Universe. Length, Time, and Spacial Determinants can all be measured,: from these. We can determine something about the future. At this point, most think our make-up is contiguous with the rest of the Universe.
If the Laws of Physics are to hold and we are to be determined by whatever we want to decide determines us, then it would be possible to solve the Schrodinger Equation for all the individual parts of us. Solving this equation for one particle of field is feasible and done by Graduate level students all the time; however, solving this for the particles in the human body would be impossible, and the answer one would get if it were possible would mean what? Each of us is much more than the solution to this equation. We are much more than the constituent parts of our bodies; for sure, we are much more than the electrical currents running through our brains.
If no one in any meaningful manner can measure our make-up, how would anyone be able to determine what we are going to do when deciding what we will do, or for that matter, what we will do now?
THoughts?

dalefvictor 8 July 30
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Sorry people, again I went off writing something I knew I wanted to say, but forgot the point. I had been reading and listening to some rants of others, the topic was free will. These people were saying there is no such thing as free will and I feel they are full of themselves and do not understand the topic. Or I do not, just trying to put thoughts together and put t out there and see what happens.
I think I learned my lesson in that one should make sure their thoughts are completed before hitting the send key.

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Ohferpetessake...how about if I state the sky sometimes is bright brown, and we could have an equally useless exchange over That.
Your "preordained" requires me to posit a PreordainER. Not happening.

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Nothing exists except electrons and time. Everything, including our body, is an illusion created by vibrational waves. We share a "reality" because we create the characters so dictate what that "reality" is (like an author writing a book).

@Garban I'm not a scientist but they don't have a fully unified theory, either. I postulate that particles are created within a wave but are not the main source of the wave's creation. They are structure for the wave as rules are structure for a society.

@Garban I'll go along with that. I don't know what M theory is but, as Einstein noted, quantum behaviors are weird.

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One. Emergent properties that are are more than the whole, are not proof that the whole is not determinant, or that the emergent properties are not determined. The two simply do not contradict each other, determined things may well produce emergent things greater than themselves, but the emergent things are quite likely equally determined.

Two. Because you can not measure it, understand it or predict it, it does not mean that it does not exist. And that includes determinism. The fact that we can not measure it, is the reason why we can not make predictions from it. Not because it is not predetermined.

Three. There are at least three possible states. One. Things are predictable. Two. Things are not predictable because they are random. Three Things are not predictable because, although determined, we do not have the capacity to make predictions, or even take measurements, from which to make predictions. I go with the last. From a human view the second two may in practice be the same, and it can never be otherwise, but they are not the same in reality.

There are many states of things which although different in reality, are in effect the same. That we appear to have freewill is the same from our point of view, as having freewill, even if freewill does not exist, because we have no way of moving out of the state of, "we appear to have," we live and are forever trapped in the world of, "as things they appear to us," and we can never escape from that. Therefore all the laws under which we live, and all the laws that we can find, are about, and made from the evidence of the world as it appears to us, and we can never know if that is the true state of the universe, or how far it is from the true state, if it is not.

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