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Let's put FrayedBear's vicious, deliberate lies about Ukraine forever. The facts are:

  1. Ukraine has never voluntarily been a part of Russia. Czarist troops marched into Ukraine in 1783 and annexed Ukraine.

  2. Russian policy in Ukraine in 1832 and 193 resulted in the deliberate starvation of over 4 million Ukrainians.

  3. Ukraine, in its entire history, has never threatened or attacked Russia.

  4. Russia signerd a treaty honoring the existence of the independent country of Ukraine after the breakup of the USSR.

  5. In 1914, Russia violated that agreement by attacking Ukraine, and annexing parts of it.

  6. Without provocation, Russia started the current war with Ukraine and is continuing it.

7.Having failed in conquering Ukraine immediately, Russia is now turning its campaign into a deliberate war crime. It is pulling its troops back to prevent further losses, and is now trying to destroy the ability of Ukrainians to live by disabling power, heat, and water supplies. This is a war crime.

  1. Ukraine''s bid to join NATO was simply a justified attempt to find protection from Russian aggression, not a provocation in any sense..

These are all proven facts, unlike FranyedBear's absurd assertions.

wordywalt 9 Nov 29
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It is interesting that all of the criticisms you level against Russia in their unjust war on Ukraine, can be applied equally well to the US’ treatment of the indigenous peoples of the Americas.
Not saying the Russians are in the right, but it is odd how history repeats itself, and how the war criminals of the past, who went unpunished are so ready to point at others for doing the same thing.

  1. Ukraine has never voluntarily been a part of Russia. Czarist troops marched into Ukraine in 1783 and annexed Ukraine.
    From 1492 on ward the indigenous peoples of the Americas never voluntarily became citizens of the USA, nor participated in the dividing up of their lands by Spanish, British, Dutch and other European invaders, who subjugated them by force of military arms.
  2. Russian policy in Ukraine in 1832 and 193 resulted in the deliberate starvation of over 4 million Ukrainians.
    American policy in the United States resulted in the deliberate starvation and infection with small pox of millions of indigenous peoples
  3. Ukraine, in its entire history, has never threatened or attacked Russia.
    In their entire history the Indigenous peoples of the Americas have never attacked Europe
  4. Russia signed a treaty honoring the existence of the independent country of Ukraine after the breakup of the USSR.
    Between 1934 and 2001 the US slowly recognised the existence and rights of the indigenous peoples and their reservations as sovereign states. Until they wanted to build pipe lines, or mine for old and gas on those same reservations at which point the “Injuns” were driven away, murdered or arrested for objecting.
  5. In 1914, Russia violated that agreement by attacking Ukraine, and annexing parts of it.
    Check out what the American Indian Osage tribe suffered at the hands of the US, when they became rich because they found oil on their reservation. Hint the Osage are now extinct, thanks to the “Help” of government appointed “Helpers”. Oil is still being pumped from their “Reacquired” land.
  6. Without provocation, Russia started the current war with Ukraine and is continuing it.
    Since the beginning of European invasion it is conservatively estimated that white settlers murdered 54 million indigenous people for their own convenience without ever declaring war
    7.Having failed in conquering Ukraine immediately, Russia is now turning its campaign into a deliberate war crime. It is pulling its troops back to prevent further losses, and is now trying to destroy the ability of Ukrainians to live by disabling power, heat, and water supplies. This is a war crime.
    Check out this medical report about the denial of basic medicine, hygene and power to native American peoples in the 21st century [ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
    Are these not a war crimes?
  7. Ukraine''s bid to join NATO was simply a justified attempt to find protection from Russian aggression, not a provocation in any sense..
    Between 1923 and 2022 the indigenous peoples of the US (and of Hawii) have take their case for restitution of their lands to the UN ( and the league of nations) 15 times. The US have ignored all of their rulings as irrelevant and impossible to implement.
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Yahoo news reported on this a long time ago Walt -

[news.yahoo.com]

I've recently put Caitlin Johnstone's obvious conclusions on the reort ito the General & Hellos main section. Enjoy reading it & try revising what you say above in light of it.
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If he can’t have it, he’s going to try to burn it to the ground. The west needs to help more.

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Some blocks are to save myself the aggravation...they're one of them.

I am content to simply ignore the mental defectives that infest this site.

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Who gives a shit about him. He’s one of the biggest assholes on this site.

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I blocked Frayed Bear my first few months on this site. And then I decided for New Years I'd unblock everyone.... Yeah that lasted about 10 days, maybe. Now when I block I never, ever unblock. I am cheerfully without his putrid presence and happier for it. Frayed Bear is a very unhappy little man, don't know why and don't care. He has too much baggage to unpack and I don't have time nor empathy to deal with it. Life is just too damn short...

My blocks are always permanent, it's that whole INFJ personality type door slam thing. Saves my sanity.

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Points 4 & 5, broken agreements had precedent, which makes point 6 a croc of shit ie of course there was provocation. #8 NATO will not accept applications from countries in a civil war, where the state targets it's own populace if they happen to have Russian heritage who did not agree with an undemocratic change of government through a coup organised with foreign interference. That warmonger loser John McCain even went there to stir up shit in person. At least Hunter earnt a good honest wage for once (cough cough).
Do tell us a story about Libya. And Guam, perhaps include Hawaii and Haiti. Perhaps Laos.
PS A pity that all nuclear military powers don't fuck off back behind their borders.

puff Level 8 Nov 29, 2022

Your comments are both totally false and absurd.

@wordywalt Your own words PS spelled "signed"
"Russia signerd a treaty honoring the existence of the independent country of Ukraine after the breakup of the USSR."
The key word in this sentence is "independent". Joining a military alliance is not being independent. Treaty broken. Remember, Ukraine has been armed massively by NATO aligned countries since 2014. They used it on their own populace.
Is any of what I have just said false and/ or absurd? If so, feel free to counter.

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Frayed Bear lives in a nursing home, has for years.
No doubt the TV's are all tuned to Faux.

RT

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I have no time for FrayedBear.

Of course you don't as you wish to support US propoganda. Try reading
"Caitlin Johnstone turns up the evidence that USA knew exactly what they were doing to provoke Russia..."

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Ukraine has had a tough time. Stalin starved 10 million of them before WW ll As a result of that a lot of the Ukrainians collaborated with the Germans. If the Germans had not mistreated them they would have likely had a great ally. Stalin killed thousands more of them in retaliation for collaborating. Yes I agree with everything you say above. Perhaps we should allow Ukraine to become a member of NATO and help them. Fear of the Russian aggression is what drove all the former Warsaw pact countries to join NATO. Bill Clinton a democrat encouraged them to give up their nukes and assured them we would protect them. I bet they wish they had kept those nukes.

What I don't get is they are not part of the EU yet, so surely that should come first before NATO. Ukraine had a coup which by definition is undemocratic and why the EU won't accept them. So really wtf is NATO doing jumping the gun? EU membership should come before NATO membership for European countries. But Ukraine is not eligible, unable to meet the "Copenhagen criteria"
[cvvnews.com]

"The EU asks, first of all, that the requesting country complies with the membership criteria which were defined at the European Council in Copenhagen in 1993 and are known as the «Copenhagen criteria». They basically consist of guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities through stable institutions;"

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