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The greatest leap forward in energy production in our lifetimes:

[newyorker.com]

Flyingsaucesir 8 Dec 12
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Fusion, fission, whatever. The corporations that make disgusting amounts of money have too much to lose and are more interested in keeping their shareholders happy and their pockets lined. The politicians have been wined and dined by the fossil fuel lobbyists here in the US at least. That the world isn't using renewables for most or all or the energy demands already is sad and likely will be catastrophic.

MizJ Level 8 Dec 13, 2022

@MizJ, are you occasionally realistic, or is that your helpless cynicism talking?

@yvilletom That is realistic, maybe too much so. Greed and human overpopulation is destroying the planet. The actions of humans are changing the earth's ecosystem and it's not sustainable.
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@MizJ Thank you for a most interesting thought: sustainability changes — increasing or decreasing each year usually by tiny amounts.
Has it ever been otherwise? Yes, during Europe’s plague years, sustainability decreasied sharply.

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It doesn't matter even if it were true. The dominoes are already falling.

Which dominoes? Please indentify the consequences.

With an unlimited supply of clean energy, anything is possible.

@yvilletom Storms and volcanoes are the dominoes. You know the consequences. By the time this becomes unlimited energy, for anyone, our extinction event will be in full swing. Even if we could start a plant today it wouldn't be operational for a decade.

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I reached the Reuters site and in the article found the following spoiler:

"...the ratio of energy going into the reaction at Livermore to getting energy out of it needs to be about 100 times bigger to create a process producing commercial amounts of electricity, one of the sources said."

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This is bullshit. The Lawrence-Livermore's Nuclear Ignition Facility was featured in the 1982 movie Tron. They've been tweaking that concept for 40 years and even with the press release, remain miles away from actual break-even. I'm all for science and would love if science and scientists were given all the funding they could use. But, science is budgeted and some projects are much more deserving than others. This announcement is a plea for more money to be spent on a demonstrably unworkable method that will never be commercialized (which should be the goal). Other fusion concepts provide vastly more likely outcomes. This is not the time to be pandering to corruption, even in science.

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No such protocol as hlttps. Try this link instead: [reuters.com]

The article here has the same spoiler: …since at least the 1930s, the ratio of energy going into the reaction at Livermore to getting energy out of it needs to be about 100 times bigger to create a process producing commercial amounts of electricity, one of the sources said.

@yvilletom I'm trying to imagine why that 100x figure has to be a hard limit. One would think that merely getting twice what you put in would be a fabulous return on investment.

Thanks.

@Flyingsaucesir Imagine a magnetic field strong enough to contain an atom bomb’s explosion.

@yvilletom Yeah, I know it's a huge technological challenge. But progress is being made. We're getting there.

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puff Level 8 Dec 13, 2022
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