NdGT did not get anything wrong here. He was spot on. I don't know why you can't see that. Are you a scientist?

@Flyingsaucesir

When Fauci says he is science or Tyson say is a scientist there is also a very strong opposing scienceist who also claiming sciences are on their side about vaccines. Why not world class artist like myself, the arts and culture has had more influence to mankind than any other profesion in long history of humans. . People sell out to highest bidder all the time in every profession. No matter what profession there is out there. Science is only one branch in the tree of life.

@Flyingsaucesir Haaaa.... okay. You're welcome to your opinion. I don't have a degree in animal husbandry but I know not to buy a rooster if I want a bird that will lay me eggs for my breakfast. Let me guess,, you think Biden putting classified documents in his garage next to his corvette is safe as well. You do seem to love using logical fallacies on here. Didn't I put you on my ignore list some time back? I suggest you go back to your mom's basement, take another bong hit and put a Grateful Dead record on. We're done here.

Well, you have a point there. The majority of people in countries where vaccines were/are available have looked at the statistics and wisely opted to be vaccinated. So on that point, maybe NdGT needs to clarify his thinking. He's not wrong if his comment is taken broadly to include climate change. On that issue, humans are proving to be woefully bad at thinking statistically. The stats all show that climate change is real, is anthropomorphic, and is a threat to human civilization and probably to the survival of our species as well as that of millions of others. Yet we are doing very little to address the problem. Many humans have allowed themselves to be bamboozled by the disinformation put out by the fossil fuel industry, casting doubt on solid science in order to keep their profits up. It's a spectacular failure on the part of humanity.

PS: He's also right about the social contract "thing." If you have a job which requires you to be in close proximity to others during a highly contagious and deadly viral pandemic, then you should definitely mask up and be vaccinated or get the fuck out. Period. Other people have (society has) the right not to be infected by you. Especially if you work for a government services institution, such as police, fire, military, healthcare, etc. Our tax dollars should not go to infecting us.

@Flyingsaucesir

The social contract is a con. I didn't sign a contract to be a total obeisance worker for the Government, so they can take my job away. Or loose my physical autonomy by being forced to take an experimental vaccines that lab animals die from. Both are against the constitution and a malpractice. The other con of a contract is the signing of my name for ID in capital letters. Which is not name real name, just another con contract by the Government.

I rarely see Tyson loose his cool, maybe a little with Joe Rogan. All three are smart guys in their own right. When polical truth is playing God with minds and bodies, its design on purpose. When an academic has been deeply programed for so long , discussions become a cloudy fogs.. The vaccines were brought as Trojan horse like high inflation, threat of world war, basic cost of living, homeless , and food storage. Things like cyberwars and green passport are coming.

@Flyingsaucesir Funny... You know, if the so-called vaccine (which by definition it certainly is not) and/or a mask actually kept you from contracting or spreading the virus, I would likely agree with you. Unfortunately, they don't. Soooo ,, there's that. And that's enough for me to be very skeptical of anything the gov. tells me I HAVE to shoot in my body.

@Castlepaloma WTF? As a species we are mostly led like sheep. The powers that govern us are not threatening us with anything. They simply make it clear that they will do what they want to whether we like it or not. Along the way they would like us to buy something.

@Castlepaloma Last I heard, you were a freelance artist, not a government worker. And as such no one is making you get a vaccination. So you don't really have a dog in that fight, do you? By the way, the vast majority of government workers were voluntarily vaccinated. Its only a small (but very vocal) minority who are, as NdGT put it, very bad at analyzing statistics. I guess if you were a government worker, you would fall into that group. Personally, I'm all in favor if you dying from COVID-19 if you refuse the vaccine. Just don't take up vital space in the hospital when you do, OK? Stay in your bunker and let people who need broken bones set, or chemo therapy, or bypass surgery, etc. get the care they need.

@Castlepaloma, @Captain_Feelgood Not a vaccine? WTF? That dog won't hunt.

Nobody is saying the vaccines prevent infection or transmission. That claim is a red herring, a straw man, a distraction.

What the vaccines do very well is prevent severe disease and death. In doing so, they keep the hospitals from being so overbooked that people with all the normal issues we see in non-pandemic times can't get the care they need.

@DenoPenno
I'm not buying when the the pendulum swings from 10% to 40% of independence thinkers to 10% to 40% totalterrimism. The rest follow like sheep . We are in the eye of a long storm of globalist who we haven't seen since world war 2 and the depression. Even Einstein created a nuclear energy and regrets its also was used for nuclear weapons as he excape to the US.

@DenoPenno, @Flyingsaucesir

People are not getting the medical hospitals care because hospitals are selling out to the highest bidder again to covid patients. Covid vs far less a killers than cancer and heart disease skyrocketing all over the world where hospitals get paid less for .

@Flyingsaucesir

Yes a freelance artist for 50 years as it only works well with responsibility. Government is like diapier, they have to change them every four years because they are so full of shit. I do have a dog in this fight for the vaccines mandates took away most everything I had. I won't bow down to Government when they have the least satisfied jobs in the nation and 80% don't like them. I just feel sorry for them. I love my work for most waking hours of my life. If one can not love their work, one can not master life.
Most of the world's population have spoken out. As most of the population did not get fully vaccinated. I don't wish anyone to die, if you want me to die of covid 19. Well keep with the super wealthy Club which you or me don't belong to anyway. And love that social contract with the Government psychopath who steal a third or half your money and run your life. They can have their chemo therapy of a 2.1 success rate of cancer remission over 5 years, I got Marijuana and healthy food medicine at 85% success rate. Nobody owns me, and won't be a Frankenstein victom or another horrible experiments for the Government. Your maybe against me , yet I'm not against you . I couldn't muster up enough apathy to stop you from being another pawn for the megalomaniacs R US, life about choices and love. Have a nice day.

@Castlepaloma You have gotten the basic facts wrong, and are operating on false premises. A large majority of Americans have been vaccinated. But you are right about ine thing. The people have spoken: they reject your anti-vax conspiracy theories.
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A podcast entertainer versus and actual scientist.

@silverotter11 It's no contest!

I think opposite for the other speaker.

@Castlepaloma Hahaha... yeah, because I always call my astrophysicist when I get a tooth ache.

@Captain_Feelgood You miss the point entirely. NdGT understands the issue because epidemiology is a matter of science, and he's a scientist. So naturally he is going to have an advantage over some talking head podcast entertainer.

@silverotter11

I alway go with the person with a diverse background, honesty and good sense.Regardless them being an all mighty scientist or politicians. Especially sciencist who don't admit when they are incorrect and get over paid like a Hollywood star.

@Castlepaloma The people you sneeringly refer to as "all mighty scientists," people like NdGT and Anthony Faucci, have knowledge and skills well beyond your ken. You dismiss or disparage what you do not understand. You are apparently out of your depth sir.

@Flyingsaucesir

Don't know how to compare apples and oranges. I doubt both high horse scientists in their profession. Have toured more countries and continents or won more international and world championship in their profession. Don't know any sculptor who has won more events. Yet, there is no snowball chance in hell, I would proclaim myself as Art, like Fauci proclaiming himself as science. Or even claim myself as the best sculptor in the world. Not even on this site can't claim myself any better or any worst than the next guy, judging by a lack of independence thinkers. Yet I know I do somethings better and vice-versa. And I know I am what I am. Certainly I'm not a collective pawn or sheep dog of a one world order.