Capitalism rules, communism drools. Capitalism earns its own money, communists think their neighbors money belongs to them. Capitalists create value, communists destroy. Capitalists respect all people's beliefs, communists burn and censor everything not in alignment with the cause. Dont be a commie.
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Your analysis of governance is as jejune as your vapid portrayal of greed and fear.
waitingforgodo
Level 8
Mar 22, 2023
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Reading this thread , where do these crazies like Franco and Interloper come from, and why do they join a site like this and peddle their reactionary loony toons nonsense? Desperate to kick up dust for self-validation, I summize. And mostly they're Americans, full of toxic, simplistic binary reductionist thinking.
David1955
Level 8
Mar 21, 2023
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@TheInterlooper Slander does not apply to textual interchanges, since the words are not spoken.
@FrancoFran He is still incorrect. If one wishes to debate (argue?) one must be correct.
@FrancoFran Precisely. @TheInterlooper should have used "libel".
I am a language pedant!
Geebus H....name one place other than sort-of in China, where any Communism is extant right now....or, emerge from mommy's basement in 2023. Your choice.
AnneWimsey
Level 9
Mar 21, 2023
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@FrancoFran Neither is particularly 'communist' Korea is a fascist dictatorship, Cuba gave up communism 30 +/- years ago.
oh, if only you took one moment to think instead of as usual posting drivel.
@FrancoFran Wrong.
Venezuela is not a communist country. Its government is a federal presidential constitutional republic. The citizens of Venezuela are able to own businesses for profit. In a communist country, the government maintains control over all businesses and economic ventures.
@Petter Clearly this idiot wouldn't recognize 'communism' if he fell on it (hopefully it was razor-sharp pointy, but i digress..)
Your ignorance is showing. Competitive capitalism is fading away.
The US has a fascist, authoritarian, "Monopoly Capitalism" problem.
State Monopoly Capitalism
“The main Marxist–Leninist thesis is that big business, having achieved a monopoly or cartel position in most markets of importance, fuses with the government apparatus. A kind of financial oligarchy or conglomerate therefore results, whereby government officials aim to provide the social and legal framework within which giant corporations can operate most effectively.” - Wikipedia
Basically this is favoring the rich and not holding them accountable, even for egregious crimes, while controlling the people using low wages, prison for non-violent crimes and small infractions, and while suppressing their vote and protests. And also, using the people, especially their children, to fight their wars to gain the resources of other countries. Either wealth will be regulated for the benefit of the people or the people will be regulated to serve wealth.
Monopoly Capital
An Essay on the American Economic and Social Order is a 1966 book by the Marxian economists Paul Sweezy and Paul A. Baran. It was published by Monthly Review Press. It made a major contribution to Marxian theory by shifting attention from the assumption of a competitive economy to the monopolistic economy associated with the giant corporations that dominate the modern accumulation process. Their work played a leading role in the intellectual development of the New Left in the 1960s and 1970s. As a review in the American Economic Review stated, it represented "the first serious attempt to extend Marx’s model of competitive capitalism to the new conditions of monopoly capitalism." It attracted renewed attention following the Great Recession." - Wikipedia
Example
“This is monopoly capitalism in action,” said Marion Nestle, author of Food Politics and professor of nutrition, food studies and public health at New York University. “Whenever Amazon takes over more and more and more of any consumer area, that gives consumers less choice. And now it’s food.” - [truthout.org]
List of mergers and acquisitions by Amazon
[en.wikipedia.org]
Political implication
“Ever since monopoly capital took over the world, it has kept the greater part of humanity in poverty, dividing all the profits among the group of the most powerful countries. The standard of living in those countries is based on the extreme poverty of our countries.”
— Che Guevara, 1965 -Wikipedia
nogod4me
Level 8
Mar 21, 2023
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@TheInterlooper You are so ignorant that you don't know who your real enemy is, neither did the violent Jan. 6 insurgents.
“Give people pride and they’ll live on bread and water, bless their exploiters, and even die for them. Self-surrender is a transaction of barter: we surrender our sense of human dignity, our judgment, our moral and esthetic sense for pride. If there is pride in being free we are ready to die for liberty. If there is pride to be derived from an identification with a leader, we grovel in the dust before a Napoleon, Hitler [Trump] or Stalin and are ready to die for him. If there is distinction in suffering, we search for martyrdom as for hidden treasure." - Eric Hoffer
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's it’s the other way around.
Bikes4Fish
Level 7
Mar 21, 2023
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Perhaps you could find the time tunnel out of which you popped, and make your way back to the 1950s. If you're lucky, you might just catch The Lucy Show or the Colgate comedy hour.
David1955
Level 8
Mar 21, 2023
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@FrancoFran but you'd feel right at home. J Edgar Hoover and Joseph Mc Carthy would love to meet you, another Commie hater.
I don't suppose in your simplistic binary capitalism/ communism mind that you've ever studied political philosophy at all, like the spectrum that ranges from old communism ( mostly gone ), and social democracy, democratic socialism ( mixed economies) through to oligarchic and authoritarianism capitalism, you know, like America, a country which actually practices corporate socialism? ( like now, bailing out banks, and 2008). No, I guess you haven't. People like you never do. A simple binary world is all that's needed for some.
@TheInterlooper you neither read properly, nor understand the subject, so pointless engaging with you.
@TheInterlooper idiot. He's talking about the American ruling class and it's hegemony over Americans through manufactured consent. Like criticising it, get it?
@TheInterlooper you are lost and ignorant at the same time.
"And God didn't make those little green apples and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime...".
"Capitalists respect all people's beliefs," ...unless it is how to bring up your kids. Not wanting the earth to be fucked up or collective bargaining power makes sense.
273kelvin
Level 8
Mar 21, 2023
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@FrancoFran "Capitalists respect all people's beliefs, communists indoctrinate kids in public schools and teach them to be gay liberals"..."One nation under God"
Flint Michigan
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@FrancoFran I am going to assume that you actually believe that, even though you never put up any links to real information. But then again anyone who supports a traitor like Trump will believe anything.
So I have this bridge you can buy really cheap.
@FrancoFran Sorry but if you had actually got your GED, you might know that the onus is on the proposer of a statement, not the questioner. For example, I can say "It is a myth that only 20% of US citizens own a passport. The true figure is 37%" and if questioned (which it might well be), I provide a link. If it was a book, I would use a footnote, quoting sources.
[today.yougov.com]
This is how a reasoned argument is presented. Now you can attack the source of my information and its accuracy/bias but you had better have some counter sources to back you up.
The burden of proof also grows greater the more extraordinary the claim. eg. If I say I have spiders in my basement, well that's no biggie and most people will let that slide. But if I say I have Bigfoot in my basement, you would want some heavy proof...right?
Bold statements without any kind of proof are just hot air and you are just some bozo mouthing off. Unfortunately, too large a percentage of Americans were willing to give credence to bozo number one ie 45 and when the hot air machine told you the big lie you helped him piss on your flag and constitution. If you had stopped to think critically for a moment, then America would not be the laughing stock it now is.
Ps. I originally thought it was only 20% of US citizens had a passport but the facts I looked up for this comment changed my mind. Facts matter.
I prefer to be neither. I'm in favour of the type of socialism practiced in most of Europe. ie. Capitalism, but with a security net to catch those who hit problems. For example, heavily subsidised healthcare.
Petter
Level 9
Mar 21, 2023
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@FrancoFran Thanks to people like you, it is no wonder that the USA is so screwed up, with a few multi-billionaires, millions of people in poverty and comparatively few in between the two extremes.
@TheInterlooper Really? Only government intervention, which forced the break-up of the big oil companies, prevented them becoming huge monopolies, larger and richer than the US government itself.
It is the reason why there are anti-monopoly laws, still forcing the break-up of corporations, which give the lie to your claim. In a truly free market economy nations would not exist, only massive corporate conglomerations hell bent on profit.
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