Historians, a judgement call. The thing with group think/ peer group pressure is that if people are aware that it occurs, they are better able to recognise it when it happens and resist. Knowledge really is power here.

@puff knowledge is power, however so easiy to misuse.

@Jolanta and hide from others, gives advantage

And..once you've been ''in''....it's very difficult to get ''out.'' The green grocer's friends undoubtedly had something to say about removing that sign.

The same applies for those on the other side. Biden has no scrutiny at all, you hardly see him and he is not questioned to any length.
I still think the DNC will burn Biden because he is now a liability to the party, gone before 2024. Seems to have already started with media finally being critical eg Is he too old/ mentally competent?. Once the group decides this changing of the guard is approved, they will all fall in line and support the next chump figurehead because the alternative is their demon. DNC primaries are not democratic.
Would love to see Hillary's face when Kamala becomes the first female president, even though it will only be for a few short months.

@puff House Republicans have been investigating Hunter Biden (and, by extension, Joe) for years and have come up with no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the father. Meanwhile, President Biden has been quietly doing a spectacular job as chief executive. Yes, he is advanced in age, but he is mentally sharp and effective in his job. I will definitely vote for him again.

@Flyingsaucesir There is enough to charge Biden from this clip alone. Or do you approve of VP's threatening funding at the last moment in order to interfere with a sovereign countries justice system? Demand actions that will directly benefit his son using tax payer funds?
There is no reason Hunter's gun charges were not brought 4 years ago, except for slow walking by the DoJ. Why would they do that? The Biden's are as dodgy as, but Dems still believe he is a Messiah compared to Trump.

@puff Dang, dat some heavy envydense you got der big boy! Bwahahaha!

@Flyingsaucesir It is when your son receives millions as a thank you. You have heard of Hunter's laptop? It is all there. The laptop wasn't just full of crack head photo's you know, lots of emails, bank transfers etc. Whistleblowers backing it all up. Foreign news show this, doesn't yours?
You see, Trump fucked everything up. Biden was never meant to be president, Hillary was. She should be doing her second term now. So they let Biden pocket a little cream for his retirement, knowing another potus Clinton would never investigate and all would be forgotten including Biden.
Then there are the multiple Trump investigations when both houses were controlled, but that was never going to last forever. Did the concept of payback never occur to the pycho's running Washington?
The smartest man President Biden knows, the bagman for Joe's retirement, never covered his tracks too thoroughly and why would he? And when this all becomes too obvious, you watch the DNC burn Biden. They will be encouraging him to retire before it all blows up and will burn him if it does. But even being slightly demented, Biden understands if he is no longer potus, he will lose a lot of protective power. Plus he is stubborn.
Interesting times and I wonder which democrat will contest 2024.

@puff The investigation of Hunter began during the Trump administration, and was led by a prosecutor appointed by Trump. And what they find? There are many words for it. In alphabetical order: buggar all, bupkis, fuck all, jack, jack shit, nada, nil, squat, zilch, zip.

@Flyingsaucesir Hunter is currently on felony charges related to firearms. That should have been done years ago. The prosecutor did not do until now when forced, with Hunter's sweetheart deal falling through. It is a fairly short bet tax charges will follow which will involve the big guy. with numerous bank accounts and foreign monies involved. I dare say he will also be charged with failing to register as a foreign agent, acting on the behalf of foreign interests. It is all there and I think feet are being dragged because no-one wants potus Harris in the GOP, plus the fact that if they start throwing stone their own glass houses will be broken. No-one will have moral high ground if Congress indicts him, which is on the cards, the evidence is so strong. Look up some legal opinion if you don't believe me on what has been exposed already.

@puff If his last name wasn't Biden, Hunter would have already paid his fines and be putting this behind him by now. The tax violation is
a misdemeanor, and they aren't giving jail time to first-time offenders for that kind of gun charge. He lied on an application. It's just paperwork. He didn't brandish the weapon, didn't discharge it in the City limits, didn't hold up the stagecoach, didn't shoot out the street lights,...

@Flyingsaucesir Yeah, that's why they spent all that time devising a sweetheart deal, rejected by the courts. It's just going to be a fine
Bit embarrassing that one for the DoJ.

NB If his last name wasn't Biden, there is no way a Ukranian energy company would pay him tens of thousands of dollars a month either. Funny how his salary was cut in half after his Dad ceased to be the VP. Scrutiny by authorities miraculously disappeared too. Job finished.
If you can't see Hunter grifted off the family name, off of his Father's position as Vice President of the United States, you soon will. And if that is acceptable/ forgivable to you, you as a nation, and are willing to let it slide, then your nation is already lost imo.
It's not about GOP or Democrat, it's about a grifter family who abused the position of Vice President for financial gain.

@puff There is little doubt that Hunter set himself up as an influence peddler. The question is, is there any evidence that any US policy decisions were made that would not have been made anyway? So far, after much digging, no such evidence has come to light. Yes, Joe Biden pressured the Ukrainian government to oust a corrupt, Russian puppet prosecutor. But that was perfectly in line with US interests and the promoting of our democratic values abroad. In this country, we do not condemn people without evidence (in stark contrast to what happens in Putin's Russia). So if you have evidence, let's see it. If not, fuck off.

@puff I don't mean for you to take it personally, but I don't know a better way to say it. Vague allusions, baseless conspiracy theories, and innuendo will only carry you so far; without evidence to back them up, that stuff doesn't have much of a shelf life. It get old fast. However, if hard evidence is brought to light, I will be right there with you calling for the laws to be enforced equally. Until then, Joe Biden, or whoever he were to endorse should he drop out of the race, is getting my vote.

@Flyingsaucesir Suggest you look at what your agencies and European ones were saying about the Ukraine prosecutor. Even Nuland praised him before Biden, at the behest of Burisma, decided he was corrupt.
Biden is so full of shite, you need to check all his claims and thus, official proclamations. They are not used to people being able to fact check them themselves easily eg According to Biden, he marched for civil rights, saw bridges fall, was NY the day after 9/11, his house burnt down, gave dead relative medal, his son died in Iraq etc etc all shite.
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@puff The New York Post is a right wing propaganda organ, and it only fit for lining the bottoms of bird cages. Know your sources!