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In the literature about cultural appropriation, philosophers have tried to explain the nature of the harm that is involved. Some claim that it is a form of exploitation, stealing the rightful intellectual property of a marginalized group for the profit of privileged individuals.
Others claim that it is a form of oppression that can “silence, speak for, and misrepresent” different groups. Other still argue that it impinges on the “intimacy” of the relevant group.

To be coherent, all of these different accounts need to defend the same basic claim: that some groups of people should enjoy formal or informal ownership over particular cultural practices or artifacts, giving them decision-making power over who gets to partake. After all, we need some account of who has the right to engage in a particular cultural practice, and how its owners will determine under what circumstances outsiders should be allowed to partake in it, if we are to get any clarity about when its uses are legitimate, and when they aren’t.

This raises a host of difficult questions that have not been satisfactorily answered—and, I believe, never will. These include the following:
How does a group come to enjoy ownership over a set of cultural products?
Who counts as a member of that group?
What is the decision-making mechanism for determining who can legitimately partake in its cultural products?
And how will those who violate these rules be punished?

Thibaud70 7 Nov 24
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Then there's this sweetheart of a chef! I'm Mexican American and love this guy!

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Celebrating any culture is a way of preserving it. In today's world where international borders are freely crossed and migration is easier than it has ever been, the dilution of ethic identity is ever increasing. My father was a Cajun, one of the smallest ethnic groups in the US less than 1 million. I am 50% Cajun, I married a Woman of Austrian-German descent, my son is 25% Cajun, looks German and knows little of his Cajun heritage (my fault). He married a Taiwanees woman their daughter is 12.5% Cajun, looks Chinese. What culture may my granddaughter celebrate without the culture police doxxing her? Is hosting Mardi Gras off limits? Cajun cooking? Hosting Octoberfest? wearing lederhossen? Since she is legitimately part of those cultures by birth but not by appearance, who has the right to say she should not be able to own that as her own? Who has the right to tell anyone that they don't have the right to celebrate any culture in a way that helps to preserve it for the future?

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Culture was already there well before you were born. You are far too late to own it. 😛

Ryo1 Level 8 Nov 25, 2023

Well put. I can identify with a culture, but that does not make it "mine" in a sense that I could forbid other people from partaking in it.

@Thibaud70 I would also mention that there are many children from international marriages who grow up in inter-cultural environments. It's kinda silly to say that one culture belongs to one person of one nationality.

I don't think its about "owning" a particular culture. It's more about being respectful of someone's culture. For example, some old cartoons from the 40's and 50's portrayed Black and Asian people in stereotypical and sometimes derogatory ways. Cartoon characters were shown in blackface or shown denigrating Black and Asian people.

It's really about the message being sent. Is the intent to ridicule or mock either based on prejudice or ignorance or is the intent meant to be supportive and respectful of the culture? Sometimes its not always obvious or the intent can be misconstrued.

@Charles1971 Ignorance, I may be able to forgive. Any malicious intent, no.

@Charles1971
in the vast majority of cases where progressives say "That's cultural appropriation! Boo!", it is clearly not mockery or denigration, but on the contrary, respect.
Recently, here in Europe, white people have been repeatedly cancelled, excluded from performances because they were wearing dreadlocks, which, according to 'woke' dogma, is only reserved for People of Color. It should be clear to everyone that dreadlocks on a white person's head are a sign of respect towards the culture where this hairstyle comes from.

@Thibaud70 There is a difference between cultural 'appreciation' and cultural 'appropriation, and some deliberately obscure that difference for whatever reason - most likely political, I guess.

@Ryo1 Is there a reliable litmus test to decide between the two? No.
So the difference is in the eye of the beholder, and if this beholder is a malicious person, or someone who simply likes to wield the sword of moral righteousness, he or she sees 'appropriation' everywhere. And that#s what we witness in recent years: that innocent people are pilloried for sins that they did not commit, or for sins which do not even exist !!

@Thibaud70 I kinda see what you mean. It's a bit like some people pay too much attention to race and racial issues, and if they have ill intention, they would link everything to racism and they would even create an issue if there wasn't one. 😆 Identity politics? Or whatever you call it.

@Ryo1 I like the meme. Thanks.

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With sports teams adopting native themes we have seen a huge backlash. The Washington Commanders used to be called the “Redskins” until relatively recently. The Cleveland Guardians used to be called the “Indians”. The Atlanta Braves and Kansas City Chiefs have stuck so far with their names and iconography. They also use a warchant and tomahawk chop ironically appropriated from another Native American themed sports team, the FSU Seminoles. The warchant and tomahawk chop seem inappropriate and jarring now yet there are aspects of how FSU as an institution has approached its use of tribal oriented themes that for the moment have given them a pass. They have buy in from the Florida based Seminole tribe who help with aspects of design to make things more authentic and respectful. The Oklahoma Seminole tribe hasn’t always been as on board. Not sure how real the apparent consensus actually is.

I am not sure what the situation is with the Utah Utes. Maybe there’s a similar set up.

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Your last question is quite disturbing to me..."punished" for whirling like a Dervish,
Enjoying Thanksgiving dinner with friends even though a Sikh? Or maybe pissing on the communion wafers....there are and always will be countless ways of "transgressing", or pushing the boundaries, or yes, givin' it a whirl!
Why assume punishment needs to be set up ready to go, like, oh, I dunno, some Old Testament gawd......

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I think that is a pretty good summing of the situation. It may also be worth noting that different people within the culture appropriated may have different, often quite opposite views of it. Some may see it as theft of culture, while others may see it as imitation because we are admired and respected and have something to give the wider world, with every shade between those two probably existing as well.

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If you want absolute answers to your questions you will be disappointed. Its like asking when is theft morally acceptable or when is physically harming another person acceptable? There's no giant line in the sand that delineates an absolute between acceptable and unacceptable.

I think the overwhelming majority of people would agree that blackface is inappropriate. I doubt very many people who have an issue with someone wearing a kimono.

I think intent plays a large part in determining whether cultural appropriation is acceptable or not. If the intent is to mock, belittle, or otherwise insult a particular group then it is wrong. If it has been historically used as a means to mock, belittle or insult a group then it is wrong. When the purpose is to appreciate the culture then in most cases its probably acceptable. The gray area is when you don't know enough about a culture to understand whether or not something is inappropriate or not.

Spot on.

You are right about blackface, but you are wrong as for the kimono. A few years ago, a white woman was pilloried for wearing such a dress at a prom
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and there are thousands of cases like this

Wherever I see comments like "My culture is not your.... prom dress", I ask myself: who appointed this person as the spokesperson for this particular culture or community? And what does "my culture" mean? In what sense does person A own this culture? I , for example, never had the feeling that I "own" French culture.

@Thibaud70 Whether French fries are French the way they are done by Burger King should be considered an affront. Foods more easily crossover culturally, but for Native Americans who wore them a head dress of feathers was earned so cultural borrowing seems less appropriate.

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The very notion of "cultural appropriation" is an absurdity.

Police have a culture and for a non-cop to impersonate a police officer is a no-no. Same goes for veterans and their notion of stolen valor.

@Scott321 That's a good point, though impersonating a police officer is also illegal.

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