We are all only human after all

"buybull" haha - I like it

Haha! After getting roasted for it several times after this post, I don't think I can ever forget it.

One of my "habits" is to see how many logical fallacies per sentence I can identify in each piece of Christian apologetics.

Well, maybe we can find some anti-science or anti-intellectual atheists somewhere? Surely not here among us fine people. I was tempted to outline something like you did, and it was helpful to read your thoughts. Thanks!

@Diaco What about those who do not believe in anything, but find benefit in community? In other words how many people that sometimes attend religious gatherings are actually atheists with a high tolerance for bullshit? (Me personally, after I was 18, I couldn't do it anymore and refused to go. Even attending a religious wedding ceremony in my twenties was tough to get through.)

@foolmeonce Question A :
The key question is; what's the motivation to reject an ancient topic like GOD?! which was involved with human life for millennials!!!

Possibilities could be :

1- Backed by knowledge and logical perspective.
2- Copying others and W/O any argument.
3- Just because of hatred of religions as the only motive.
4- from an anarchy, anti-social or anti-system view.
5- someone is dumb enough to be unable to follow any system/manner.

You can say all of them are Atheists. But are they the same?! Simply NO!

#1: That's our Hero!
#2: Worth nothing!
#3: Worth nothing! ( kinda it's understandable! )
#4, #5: That's a Sick person!

Question B :
As humans and social beings, We have to tolerate and respect each other to keep social bonds asurvive. Why not! we can enjoy human cultural gatherings together with tolerance!
Atheism in general isn't a radical anti-religion view, but for sure you can see extremism among atheists in some rare cases. and that came from damages humanity experienced throughout history and happening even today by religions.

I really loved reading your detailed response! Thank you! I guess I wasn't thinking of a single unified belief system (or non belief statement) for all atheists - just a single one. But this gives me many jumping off points to go research. Thanks again!

No argument here! Haha. And that was a great joke. I am definitely stealing it - love it!

Somehow I doubt all atheists are communists. There might be some overlap. But did you know that in communist countries they are slowly allowing back religion after a long ban? So I think this will also change over time.

One person's superstitions are another's beliefs I suppose. Good reminder that atheism and belief systems are not mutually exclusive! It's just that specifically atheists do not believe in any deity or subscribe to a religion.

Yes, that's true. The biggest creators of atheists are bad religious institutions and experiences (and the ability to think independently and arrive at your own conclusions being probably as big).

To indoctrinate people into atheism may be hypocritical then?

@foolmeonce All we have to teach kids is we have two opposing things; Belief and knowledge.
If you are interested in belief's there are many, known as religions to guide you. Belief cannot be known. (that's why there's so many). Beware those that say they know belief because they tell bullshit. If it was known, we call it knowledge.
If you are interested in knowledge, then science is a good place to look because it can prove whatever it claims to you. But even science does not know everything, but it does not claim to.
Do science kiddies eg observe, measure, test and test again.

@puff That makes sense. I was certainly blown away and confused the first time I heard "beliefs are beliefs BECAUSE you don't have evidence". Don't remember when that was haha.

Science is a good tool to pursue knowledge for sure. I think critically examining personal experience (sometimes with distance) is good too. And talking about it with others for a variety of points of view.

There’a also Skeptic's Annotated Bible. I guess the author is still kickin’:
[skepticsannotatedbible.com]

Thanks - found some pretty interesting stuff!

@Drank_Spear It may be real for them. I am not compelled to believe a story without the right to seek verification.

There is swampland for sale, really cheap. Should I trust that you believe my statement?

@Betty So, is there anything than just "non-believer" then to describe someone with no beliefs at all? Someone that only goes with their own experience and information that can be verified by others after intense scrutiny?

@foolmeonce May I ask what it is you are looking for and why?

@Betty I'm not really sure. I've been agnostic for quite some time, and atheist most recently. And I certainly don't believe in anything anymore. I feel like beliefs in general are stupid - I prefer knowing to any kind of faith. Maybe I'm looking for community?

@foolmeonce You will have many different personalities to interact with, each with their own unique stories. Some you will click with and others...well...not so much. If you have an open mind then you should be able to enjoy this site. Explore, jump in conversations and see where it goes. You could do worse.

(Atheist) does not equal a belief system. There is no right or wrong way to be an Atheist. There are no rules, standards, or shared creed.

This site has been important to me. I did not feel I was joining something. I do feel I am participating in budding friendships. I hope it continues that way.

I am not disputing the non-existence of any deity - that really doesn't have to do with my post. I'm assuming there are no deities and proposing an idea of a text that provides an agreement amongst atheists. I am learning that is a difficult proposition haha

@foolmeonce Agreed, it is a difficult proposition!

thanks! that helps a lot

Perhaps it is aesthetically pleasing?

I didn't even realize I was doing that! Haha sorry