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100,000 March in Glasgow.Scotland will gain independence.

Coldo 8 May 5
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I was going to chip in here but the more I thought about what I was going to say I realised that most of us, including me, would lose the will to live before I'd got through it all. Suffice to say it is not as straight forward as a lot of people seem to think.

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I was born in England and every English person I have ever known really would also like Scotland, Ireland, Wales, especially the North, Australia, New Zealand, The Falklands need I go on...to have independence. I've honestly never heard a single person say "oh I love that we're oppressing all these people" I think the vote should be put to the English do we want to set them free? You would stand a better chance.

"Oppressing" ??!! Perhaps you might like to explain here in what conceivable way England is oppressing Australia, New Zealand etc...., (let alone the Falklands!!).
I know the idea will frighten you, but you ought to take a trip to Scotland to see if the experience might not broaden your mind...
And on your way back, go and admire the really oppressed Puerto Rico, still trying to get over the recent hurricane destruction with next to no aid from the US.... Shades of New Orleans, there...
And then, with your newly enlightened mind, you could explain a third of humanity subscribes voluntarily to the Commonwealth - including countries with whom we never had any links, like Rwanda or Mozambique...

@LoneJungle I knew my comment would spur venom. I know exactly of what you speak and my point is; I believe it is not the people of any and all, quote "oppressor" countries that wish to keep anyone, as my Aussie relatives state a "Prisoner of mother England." Give the proterilat the vote take it out of the hands of the bourgeoisie and governments. In other words give the people of England the referendum. Having an Irish father & growing up surrounded by the IRA. I truly believe that the average working English person would have voted out of Ireland immediately given the chance...Everyone has to feel free before we can come together.

I used a bit of Karl Marx verbiage because it's his 200th birthday yesterday and his wishes were for a united world
and freedom for all from oppression be it in the form of Capitalism or State run oppressive countries such as Russia & China (which shouldn't be confused with socialism, as they are not) Billy Bragg sings it best. Now I'll crawl back under my rock.

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Why not 10 thousand miles .........sorry couldn't resist I'll show myself out

Thinking Of Them? Lol ??

@Coldo yeah trust me to get it wrong lol

@Simon1 lol ???

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I find this quite depressing.

It's not just the nationalism, it's short sighted. How would Scotland survive without the funding it receives from central government? And what happens if Scotland does become independent? Will it suddenly become a utopia? Will the rich suddenly stop exploiting the poor? Will there be Socialism?

I'm English (which means little to me) and I have a Scottish friend who constantly talks about Scottish independence and being "Scottish" etc - which makes me feel like crap. It's inferring superiority, which is what nationalism is. It's sticking one finger up at the neighbours.

It reminds me of my mother who was once the target of subtle racial abuse whilst on holiday in Edinburgh. She overheard some Scottish women talking about her being 'English' in a derogatory way that made her feel uncomfortable.

If I moved to Scotland I'd be afraid of this racism. In England, where I live, my neighbour is from Glasgow. There's no racism. Her Scottishness is not an issue, which it shouldn't be.

Ultimately everything boils down to 'class', which becomes undeniable when realising the SNP imposed a 1% cap on Scottish public sector workers' . A Scottish nurse confronted Nicola Sturgeon about this on national TV. The SNP responded with a smear campaign.

Poor Scots are not suffering because of the English they're suffering because the working class is being crushed, not just in Scotland but all over the UK. Independence won't change that. There will still be the millionaire bosses and foreign multinationals screwing us over.

My heart sinks whenever I see photos of people parading with flags. I will never understand the mentally. I think of this Einstein quote: "nationalism is an infantile disease".

Scotland does not need money from Central government!! The amount paid to Wastemonster & the amount received from "The Barnet" equasion pales into insignificance The Scots simply want to be free from English rule, Westminster has never done Scotland any flavours.

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Being of Scot ancestry I support the establishment of an independent Scotland. Actually though I have no dog in that fight.

I’m an American living (actually settled) in Scotland. I’m finding most of these comments irrelevant, fear based and spiteful. All countries have prejudice people, and most countries have issues with their neighbours, and very few countries just “get over” being invaded and occupied. Scotland has a very independent economy and doesn’t need England to survirve; that’s categorically incorrect and just silly. The problem, in my opinion, was the facts were obliterated (within the propaganda) during the referendum and people were ill-informed re the repercussions of independence. My hope is that iF there is another vote, people are better informed.

@Traveler2 They are not spiteful or fear born or irrelevant. If you are settled here in Scotland you should know this is not the case.The Scots have had enough of misrule from Westminster, there will be another vote for independence.This Time no 60% majority, the propaganda from the media will not wash either.

@Coldo I was referring to the comments that said Scotland couldn’t make it alone and should stay. I agree with you 100% The misinformings were spin from Westminster! I am for independence. I felt, at least some of the comments, were more Westminster propaganda. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. I’m glad to hear it 60% approval; I’d not heard that.

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Good for you. Best of luck if that happens to be the best course for the country.

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As a Yank of Scots-Irish descent, it warms the cockles! Especially as the Brits voted for Brexit, this is only just desserts! Now, we need to unite Ireland!

A third of SNP voters voted to leave the EU, and Scotland is part of Britain.

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Your choice, but you have already chosen once and... Really how well do you think you will do on the arse end of europe on your own?

Alot better than England! First time round the 60% majority was needed. The B.B.C. & Rupert Murdoch's newspapers spread false information, the Scots will not be lied to or Fooled again! Alba Gu Brath.

@Coldo Yes but you didn`t get over 50% and now the SNP is losing ground. Like I said your choice but look at all the problems brexit is causing in NI. Imagine that on your border? You gonna build a wall like Trump?

@273kelvin Yawn

@Coldo Hadrian's Wall.

@MacTavish Built outside Newcastle England, to keep the Picts out!

@Coldo Sorry to get in the way of your sense of national pride and bore you with reality

@273kelvin Not my reality! England can not sustain it's economy without Scotland's contribution. Why else would the "Establishment" go to such lengths to undermine the Independence vote? Scotland has been carrying England & it's Royal family since the "Act If The Union" which ordinary Scots were not voters. Saor Alba.

@Coldo Except that the numbers don`t back you up

@273kelvin Source " The Financial Times" England Can not sustain it's own economy. Scotland's economy would be far superior under independence. Fact!

@Coldo not give yourself a mind adventure, and learn about the Barnett formula, without which the Scots would starve ! Oh, and by the way, even the most die- of SNP members would rather die than turn their backs on the Queen !

@LoneJungle Beg to differ!! Not true, Scotland's wealth has been drained by Westminster For decades.Scotland does not need England to survive financially, or in any other way.The Scots would gladly turn their back on The Queen & the of the German/Greek parasites. You want to get out & about in Scotland, the Scots have had enough! When the Financial Times admits Scotland is better off without England, you had better believe it!! Alba Gu Brath.

@Coldo Are these the same caliber of people that did the costings for your parliament building?

@273kelvin English treasury figures.Scotland has paid £17.067 billon to Westminster's debts over the last five yrs.£15.083 billion to defence(which is a joke, hardly a military base left in Scotland .Except Fast lane the home of Trident ) £416 million pet year to security of key ports in the English channel. £20million pet year for the upkeep of the house of commons & lords.The list goes on & on,fact,London & the south east of England have been draining Scotland's wealth to keep the Westminster economy afloat. Scotland's GDP 2015 was just over 283billion,more than enough to keep it's population of 5millon.It's Health service, Councils, Trade & government. These are checkable treasury figures. Fact,England can not sustain it's own economy.Without Scotland it's not viable.

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Would you support independence if you had to take Trump with you? 😛

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