Study indicates excess deaths may be related to Covid "vaccines". We are not sure yet but previously, these medicines would have been pulled from the market until we are sure.
Heads need to roll so it does not happen again.
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.I thought we were done with this anti vaccination rubbish which we were exposed to in daily diatribes on this site …for at least 2 years by a handful of persistent antivaccers pushing their rhetoric on us. But no, obviously you’ve got tired of pushing the pro Putin anti NATO line and have resurrected this old hobby-horse of yours.
We certainly need to learn from what happened during the pandemic and I hope our governments wherever we live are doing so, in order to learn better how to cope the next time a pandemic comes around. Mistakes were certainly made, mostly by our governments not acting quickly enough or not being properly prepared for a serious health emergency on such a large scale, but I don’t think recommending vaccination, especially to those who were particularly vulnerable such as the elderly or those with existing health conditions was a mistake. Locking down the general public and closing schools I would take issue with, and I think in the analysis most people now believe that measure to have been a mistake.
Marionville
Level 10
June 6, 2024
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puff:
Thank you. Good of you to admit your views at the time were mistaken. Such a shame discussion was suppressed at the time.
If we really want to learn from mistakes, it is still obvious to me it was #1 a safety issue for society, not a medical one so those experts, and we have them, should have been running the shit show.
Hazard causes risk we have to overcome in order to complete daily tasks ie risk management ie safety issue..
ROFLMAO, and only sorry for those who buy your BS to their detriment.
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!
Oh, and a question for you: since many if not most cancers are of unknown/uncertain origin, who, exactly drew this parallel, and How?
annewimsey500
Level 7
June 5, 2024
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puff:
All information in the link. It's a scientific study, why it's posted in academic. Unsure of anything, needs more study aka science. To proclaim with utter certainty, not many scientists do that.
It would be a strong individual act and wise for each person to do their own research for their ultimate destiny, their own body and minds health. GOVERNMENT, media and pharmacy science for many, is their God. I don't trust them. as far as I can throw them. That not far since obesity has increased 5 times since the 70s.
No government or God is going to tell me what gose in or out of my body. Life expectancy for the first time since the 30s is in the decline. Best solution is work on yourself., don't let greedy organization work on you.
Before heads roll, eyes will roll at the spin you put on the conclusion from the article you posted.
Conclusions Excess mortality has remained high in the
Western World for three consecutive years, despite the
implementation of containment measures and COVID-19
vaccines. This raises serious concerns. Government
leaders and policymakers need to thoroughly investigate
underlying causes of persistent excess mortality.
Polemicist
Level 7
June 5, 2024
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puff:
Yes the "Western world". Should be easy enough to compare those areas with wide vaccine coverage and those without Vs excess deaths. More study needed, pandemic over so remove these vaccines from sale, or at least allow people to sue manufacturers if they are "vaccine injured", another term that was relatively rare, like breakthrough infections, until 2021..
As long as the risk of dying from contracting the virus exceeds the risk of taking the vaccine and dying from its side effects…then it’s beneficial to be vaccinated. That goes for all immunisation programmes and it’s up to the individual to weigh up the risk after considering the odds and decide whether to be vaccinated or not. Vaccines overwhelmingly statistically save lives and the Covid vaccines are no exception to this, when comparing the number of deaths from the virus versus the number of deaths from the vaccine.
Marionville
Level 10
June 5, 2024
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you have more chance for dying from the vaccine than from the flu covid. 99% chance of surviving covid. so do your your home work. I took the flu shot for 35 years now cancer which i cured on my own with out the Canadian medical help. my kidney's were failing and i had COPD and i don't smoke cured all that too with the help of banned doctors! feeling great all blood is bright red lots of oxygen in my blood. why are the Amish not get sick none of them get vaccinated for any thing. i did not take the c-19 vaccine as i many doctors were speaking against it and i did not want to be a test subject. they never did get health canada's approval even to day as the government still pushes it!
puff:
Healthy under 40's risk Vs benefit never added up, especially with an unproven medicine. I am still angry my government encouraged pregnant women and 6 month olds to get it.
As I mentioned below, informed consent freely given. This did not happen during covid.
The lad rats watched all the other animals died from the covid vaccine. The lab rats refused because they are still waiting on tests on humans. At least the continent of Africa took only 10% vaccines, with 15times better results of staying alive than America or Europe.
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OK, I've had the virus and also had the shot. I'm scared now. If they kill us off then who gets our money? It seems like a valid question. Oh, Jesus Christ! What am I gonna do?
DenoPenno
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June 5, 2024
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puff:
I have a simple philosophy. All medical treatment requires consent. Informed, freely given and without coercion consent.
Applies to vaccines. Applies to all medical treatment including abortion.
It is why I am against hormone treatment for youngsters. An immature mind is unable to give informed consent as they are not yet mature, this is the legal stance backed up by science. That's why they have guardians, usually parents, to make those decisions for them. Those who encourage this sort of treatment on kids, which will make them sterile male or female, are very poor guardians imo and are not making decisions in the child's best interest. Wait until they are of legal age then they may make the decision themselves.
I went to school with a lot of Tomboys eg girls not into dolls but would rather fight and roll in the mud with the boys. Pretty well all of them turned into spectacularly, beautiful women. I wonder how many of those types today have been pressured into hormone therapy. Criminal imo.
@puff Straying way, way off topic!
puff:
@Marionville Utter bullshit off topic. All medical treatment between you and your Doctor. Government, states and do gooder's none of their business.
Do you know how much shit I and many others copped because we made an informed choice to not partake in an unproven medicine? A lot. Barred from society and considering all now agree it came from a lab, Gain of Function research banned under the Geneva Convention for these types of viruses, heads need to roll. Watch Fauci squirm in Congress, where he claims he was always open that it came from a lab, that he never accused those who suggested it did as conspiracy theorists and anti science. Blatant lies provable by historic video statements he made..
Besides, back to my post. In previous decades when a new medicine was released, if there was the slightest indication of serious adverse effects, it was pulled from the market straight away. Why has that changed?
You could start by not appealing to mythological creatures........
puff:
@annewimsey500 ...............like exceptional Americans 
You can have all my vaccines, in your mind it might make you super human.
@puff, @Marionville
Still drug cartel related.
Who going to believe the drug cartel , the media and politician are going to get together And lock up every one in the world. Then forced them to take their drugs.
I'M a PURE BLOOD!!!
@Castlepaloma ummm would that be Aryan blood?
Just organic food and medicine for a live body and mind.
Not that oily synthetic poison that Rockefeller injects into sheep.
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