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I'm strictly anti-supernatural. What ever other worldly belief people fear just doesn't compute to me. Demons, spirits, ghosts, mediums, and what have you are part of human psychology. Chemicals, oxygen deprivation, misfired synapse, what can't be explained by neurology. Our only existence is compromised of what's in our skull.

So here's my predicament. 3/5th of my coworkers are pagans. The other 2/5ths are soft Christians with wiccan beliefs. So instead of prayers and invites to potlucks at church, I get spells + its ingredients, holistic cure alls, and pungent cloth bags with herbs and rocks. So, it's a bit like being back in Baptist Church, lots of nodding, smiling, and thank yous. I know the ol' song and dance.

It's a strange life. Though I can't be honest about my beliefs, I still feel comfortable having my interests, my style, and my politics. Really the main them most all my friendships have is being an outcast. Everyone can relate to that feeling.

Virgoan 5 May 9
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I play music for a morris dancing side. There's a crazy amount of pagan/wiccan/Crystal/dolphin lickers involved. All lovely people but wtf!!!!
To be fair less harmful than the Christians but weird 🙂

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I'm sure it's easier said than done but, TIME FOR A NEW JOB!!!

godef Level 7 May 9, 2018
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A lot of folks go for religion lite - spirituality, etc. - to me it's as much nonsense as the rest and can be just as harmful.
I'll throw in a " Fuckin hippies " here.
Bottom line I can only say what works for me, not what I think others should do, but I certainly do not have to respect them or their choices....nor they me and mine for that matter. It's the best part of life : no one has to like or agree with anything.

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I am with you. Even alien lifeforms and the like, not that such things could not possibly exist. It's just that with infinity going in time and infinity going in space, there's a slim damn chance we would ever encounter whatever life did, may or will exist.

There is some need in people to be, quite literally, the center of the universe. It's been a few million years now, and the only magic human beings ever had going for them was each other.

Tracy Level 2 May 9, 2018

Oh yeah, also not into extraterrestrial theories. Ancient Aliens on the History Channel is my dads favorite show. I watched it out of curiosity with him. I really try to be just an observer but I can't help but blurt out facts that disprove some "evidence" my dad isn't questioning.

I'm in the same boat that our existence is a little blip in the expanse of all time in all the universe. The reality is, we're more likely going to be discovered by just more humans hundreds of years from now. Maybe we get a space station to exist that can be self sustainable, maybe humans adapt using drugs or technology to counter the effects of prolong exposure to zero g.

What ever the case, we arn't being visited or ever been visited by technologically advanced beings.

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In my search to figure out what I believed I have belonged to a Pagan circle, studied Kaballah, studied various Indigenous beliefs, studied Zen Buddhism, and studied Shamanism. I felt I needed to understand what each was saying before I decided what felt right for me. I do concur with the person who said that spirituality has been coopted by religion.
I too have experienced things that seem out of the normal definition of normal but I realize that the universe and its happenings are not subject to what we humans have tightly defined as normal.
As far as your Pagen friends you can either be forthright with them and say these are not your beliefs or you can just accept their herbal bags without comment. Ultimately it comes down to what you want your life to be and you are the only one that can decide where you want to compromise and where you do not.

I'll compromise. I guess it comes down to quirks. They might be tolerating a few of my own. I'm kinda a futurist, always coming in with new found science used on mice. Maybe it's malarkey to them and they're just to polite to say anything? Though... cough I have peer reviewed thesis papers to prove it cough lol

@Virgoan First .... Are you a fellow Virgo.? I should have added a study of astrology in my comment. And yeah for sure we all have our quirks. I sure have mine!

@AmelieMatisse Yes! I like little unique symbols for individuals. Like I'm a virgo, my Chinese astrology is Horse, my birthstone is peridot. Additionally, Earth is located in the Virgo star cluster of the milky way. We're all Virgoans!

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Blimey, where do you work that has that many Wiccans in one place?

It's allot of things to this town. Headshop, sex toy store, wiccan supplies, gothic, metal head t shirts. Basically anything that repressed christians want to try. Lol

@Virgoan wow who knew Arkansas was that progressive. I was totally clueless

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Whether there exists something non-physical, you can not completely disprove. Can consciousness be just reduced to the brain chemistry, what happens to our consciousness, does it propagate through generations- we don't know, some seem unknowable. Most of the universe you haven't seen, we only live in 3 dimensional world with limited senses. So, it's logically or practically impossible to grasp or experience other dimensions; we can't even swim under deep sea, we can't smell like dog, we don't know how bats visualize in their brain and color code without visual field. Therefore, what is super-natural or not can be debated. It's good to admit that you don't know rather than forcefully having an anti position for things you don't understand or don't want to agree upon. I am not positing God or almighty in these gaps, but food for thoughts. Using psychedelic drugs, it's so easy to see how you can detach yourself from your own ego and connect to a greater all. So it's not all human psychology. Thoughts are the product of evolution, without thoughts it's possible to exist, actually pretty well. That's what mystics and spiritualists will tell you- stop thinking and relying on your intellect for some time, you will see some new doors will open. Without trying first, it would be foolish to dismiss like it would be foolish to try to understand quantum mechanics and all it's quirks without having a proper grasp of Newtonian physics.

@NotConvinced it seems like you are convoluting consciousness with the sense of self. Self is an illusion produced by the brain, so when you die, self dies, consciousness may not. Well, may be you won't understand if you are too attached to your self and ego!! LoL

@NotConvinced I'm with you. What electrical impulses we have contained to make up our conscious mind doesn't resignate with our personality once we're dead. It's the rule that all matter that exists has existed since the universe began, it merely changes. I've romanticized the idea that returning to the earth and providing nutrients to the trees is the closest to an afterlife we have.

I think it's less important focusing on our minds or where our energy goes. We're in others minds in the form of their memories of us. So after we're dead, our existence stays in the context of what we did for others.

@NotConvinced cool

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Don't you ever want to shout, "Bullshit!"?

Athos Level 5 May 9, 2018

Usually almost immediately after they witness a ghost in the building. But I usually just say "Oh. Where? Hmm."

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Spirituality and religiosity are not the same. Spirituality has been coopted by religions in general. You can have a deeply spiritual experience in the sense of reverence to what the laws of physics have brought about. Just because you know that the aurora borralis is an atmospheric effect that can be explained in detail does not detract from the awe you feel from witnessing it first hand. In a sense knowing why it happens deepens my amazement of it.

That was very thoughtful thank you for that

It's summed up by being in awe of the unknown then stopping there or continuing to find out what's happening making it not unknown anymore. Using your example, the aurora borealis [en.wikipedia.org] lots of myths surrounded it. Until science explains how it happens. Then it's taught in schools. But clinging to the original spiritual context and in fact believes it offers rewards for believing in it is willful ignorance.

Not to pick apart your example on spirituality. That's still relevant. I just always interpreted humans affinity for religion to their copping mechanisms for mortality. Also, not understanding the natural law of physics.

@NotConvinced Well, spirituality can be attributed to emotional behavior. It is a sense of reverence and awe towards something. That does not imply a supernatural reason or paranormal sensation. Darwin was spellbound by the continuing complexity of life, Einstein by the order and complexity of the universe. There was no supernatural reason behind it. I had to look for the quote, but Dawkins put it more elegantly than I:

“ Spirituality can mean something that I’m very sympathetic to, which is, a sort of sense of wonder at the beauty of the universe, the complexity of life, the magnitude of space, the magnitude of geological time. All those things create a sort of frisson in the breast, which you could call spirituality.

But, I would be very concerned that it shouldn’t be confused with supernaturalism.”

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I'm a thoroughly pragmatic woman in her seventies. But - I had a frightening experience which caused me to wonder about the supernatural. I'll precis it - I awoke from a deep sleep - one side of my room was ice-cold- my body was as if divided in two - one side was normal (warm) the other side was freezing. I opened my eyes and saw an elongated shape bending over me - it was night, the room was dark, but that shape was pitchblack.. I eventually managed to wake my husband who switched on the bedside lamp. It was a rented house, old - and the owner told me that the previous owner (a man) had died in that room. After we left that house, the owner burned it to the ground as other residents had a similar experience.

VLove Level 4 May 9, 2018

So I have sleep paralysis/night terrors/hallucinations upon waking, what ever term fits. Since I was a kid, more often than I can remember, I woke up seeing something until the lights were turned on. At first I felt the weight of a Komodo dragon, clawing up my sheets into bed with me. As a teen, I have literally leaped out of the top bunk, to turn on the light when I saw a large black mass crawling on the ceiling towards me. In college, I opened my eyes and saw above me a mass of spiders dropping on top of me, I screamed, threw off the sheets, woke up my roomnate yelling about spiders, for it to disappear with the lights on. The last one I had (age 27) is a snake on my night stand, I hugged my cat, asking her if she saw it, and kept staring and blinking until it disappeared. My cat probably enjoyed the attention. I just go "oh" and go back to sleep. I didn't mention the man on a throne, 3 foot spiders, snakes, little girls, etc.

But! My mom has a history of the same things at my age. My half-brother, also her child, was diagnosed with schizophrenia in his early 20s. He didn't continue treatment, and hadn't had any episodes in 10 years.

So I always known it was a mental thing. And I was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea. Oxygen deprivation could also be a factor, because the other symptoms are memory loss, and migraines. As for stress, I've been an athiest in the bible belt my whole life and my shelter and income has always been at risk, ofcourse I'm stressed.

Its probably fortunate I actually don't believe in demons or ghosts, otherwise I might have ended up in an asylum. Lol

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Can't disagree with your sentiment as I believe much the same. As for the Pagan coworkers, I've found that most tend to be pretty accepting of us Atheists as most groups in the minority tend to do the same... Kind of like Seventh Day Adventists firmly believe in the separation of church and state because their primary day of worship is Saturday which obviously conflicts with the majority rule. The way I see it though... Anyone can be open about their beliefs or lacktherof. If it changes opinion of me, that fault lies with that person. Of course I won't insist on my beliefs and expect that of other individuals as well. ?

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With you on that! Why would you not believe in god or gods and still believe in esp, ghosts, magic, bigfoot, spirits and so on?

Ghosts in particular annoy me because I work in a "haunted' hotel..

But ain't seen no ghosts working 6 days a week all night long.

And ghost hunters are the worst...

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Chemicals yeah, LSD for one ?

I'd like to try lsd microdosing therapy to repair trauma from abuse. From what I've read about the effects on chronic depression, it could be beneficial to explore.

@Virgoan
Give them a hefty dose ? Lol

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