Unfortunately we are even tribal when it comes to degree or not degree. I had a 2 hour conversation last evening about this very thing.

So yes, it is condescending

Please explain to me how a college education speaks to personality traits.

@nvrnuff simple....did they come from an environment that considered education and learning valuable? did they have the drive/ambition to complete a degree? did they overcome obstacles in their path to reach a goal? what information did they value enough to pursue knowing it at a higher level? can they do research, write college level papers, and present logical arguments? at the very least....a degree, hopefully, means they will be able to use effect, affect, your, you're, there, their, and they're correctly.

@nvrnuff Let me give you a scenario --- you meet three women at a bar, one says she has a MFA, one says she has a Ph.D. in Maths, and the final one says she didn't go to college. You INSTANTLY know a LOT about the personalities of the first two...but, really, what do you know about the third one?

@SkotlandSkye And these things are absent in someone who hasn't attended college?You have no idea what people have been through in their lives and what obstacles they face, yet you pass judgement.

@nvrnuff perhaps...but I would have to hear their life story to judge that...or have their resume in my possession. A degree gives me that story "instantly", so to speak.

Dude, I’m going to have to say that there are very good reasons not to date a smoker.

They stink.
Kissing a smoker is disgusting.
They will have health problems that will impact their partner’s life adversely, unless something else kills them first.

@DinnerandaMovie careful...there are those who will find that condescending.... how dare you have preferences! LOL

@SkotlandSkye I wouldn't make any assumption. Donald tRump has a degree.

@SkotlandSkye I would highly disagree that having a degree makes anyone a better person.

@SkotlandSkye, @DinnerandaMovie Just what does smoking have to do with a college education, or lack thereof?

@DinnerandaMovie, @SkotlandSkye That's just it, you have no interest in their life story because they lack a piece of paper. You have proved my point.

@nvrnuff See..you are getting emotional and reacting based on emotions instead of reading what I wrote. I never said I wasn't interested in someone w/o a degree. Both my husbands lacked college educations. So, duh. What I said was that when someone has a degree, it gives you a whole world of instant insight into their personality traits without having to spend hours conversing with them. This is exactly why hiring managers request resumes instead of just interviewing EVERYONE. Also, again, people are allowed to have their preferences without others getting all butthurt. I can point you to 20+ profiles by men on here who say SPECIFICALLY they are looking women with certain physical traits. I don't see you tearing them a new asshole for being condescending to women without those traits. It will be ok if you learn to just allow people to choose who they want to choose without trying to insult them for their choices. mmmm'kay?

LOL I also know for a fact that I don't want someone who gets all butthurt when others make choices based on their own preferences.... If I want to be around snowflakes...I'll move north.

@nvrnuff Having a degree means you have a degree...thats it.

@nvrnuff Sorry. An aside.

@SkotlandSkye Emotional? You are delusional.

@SkotlandSkye And there we have it folks, hahahaha.Bye Felicia.

@nvrnuff poor dear. You can’t even see how irrational and angry you are. You are angry that people have preferences. That is truly bizarre. There is a cream for butthurt. Get yourself some. ?

@SkotlandSkye You are the epitomy of condescending.

@nvrnuff oh no! You’ve outed me as an elitist snob! My cover is blown!! LOL

@nvrnuff

They don't. These days a college/university degrees have less value than they did fifty years ago. For most, higher education has become an assembly line money-making machine. They hand out credentials that in most industries/companies are considered a dime a dozen. There are many graduates working low paying jobs, their degrees and credentials are of little to no value other than the debt they will be carrying for the next "x" amount of years.

@SkotlandSkye You outed yourself.

@nvrnuff I notice that you refuse to address my question concerning the men on here who write in their profiles specific traits they insist the female have. There is, seriously, one man on here who writes that he seeks a women who "wears miniskirts". I don't see you rallying against these types of requests. Therefore, one can only conclude that you have been rejected by someone who said it was your lack of degree (probably because she didn't want to tell you that you have no discernable sense of humor and you try to dictate what others feel....). Anyhow, you also ignored the fact that I stated that, in fact, both my husbands lacked college degrees. Instead, you continue to rail this absurd argument that people aren't allowed to have preferences and must be prejudiced. I suppose it's also condescending to desire someone who isn't a couch potato or a sports fanatic.... Your lack of flexibility in allowing others to make choices that are right for them is alarming and damn selfish. I propose that YOU are actually the condescending one since you attack anyone who doesn't agree with your position on this matter.

@Stacey48 "it has the of be taken ," Could you run this by me again , hon . Didn't quite catch what you're trying to say .

@SkotlandSkye Once again, you are wrong. I couldn't care less what anyone prefers. I certainly don't care what your 2 ex-husbands have or have not done. I haven't been dumped by anyone, and I certainly am not going to give credence to your assumptions. You my dear, are one pitiful excuse for a human being.

@nvrnuff and you are an insufferable ass. And, seriously, you don't care what anyone prefers??? hahahahahahahahahaha and yet you made this butthurt post about people wanting someone with a college education and calling them names for wanting that. Yet, again, you won't deal with the issue that EVERYONE pretty much has preferences. As I said...YOU are the condescending one who thinks that people shouldn't be allowed to have preferences. I will be blocking you now because life is too short to deal with someone as ignorant as you are. BTW, if you HAD gone to college, you would KNOW what fallacy of logic you use in your statement about Trump having a degree. (A Fallacy of Logic is a irrelevant point that undermines you argument and makes you look dumb in a debate.) But, since you don't have a clue as to logical debate...you make stupid ass statements like that.

@Stacey48 Thank you . I tried plugging , "risk ," in , it doesn't seem to work . If you click on the little box , with the three horizontal lines , then select edit , from the pull down , you can easily correct and repost it , without having to retype the entire thing . Good luck , hon !

@nvrnuff Then, you'd be satisfied dating uneducated people. I don't think anyone here would gripe about that choice.

And it's just as ridiculous for you to gripe about other people's dating preferences.

(Wondering if the 97th explanation will sink in...)

@Stacey48 True . Think I've got them all now .

I am an ex-smoker. We cannot be cruel enough to smokers. They succumbed to the capitalist system and freely bought death. That is OK with me, but smokers endanger anyone around them. I fully support some jurisdictions taking away children whose parents smoke them up in a closed car for example. I remember our smoker ignorance when people commented that the air in our house could be cut with a knife: my wife responded: Yes, look how nicely smoked is our baby. I look at our smokers lives with horror and I would not live, interact with a smoker. My lungs are more important to me.

Thank you. This was the entire purpose of my post. I salute you.

It may also be an inverted snobery that makes her very strong. Your heart can break all it wants, the simple truth is that she could not care less about what shallow people think of her. It is like the precious snowflakes on this site who decide to block people thinking that it will somehow improve themselves as people.

@FrayedBear I haven't deciphered how you view the world yet.

@AstralSmoke lol. Keep working at it if you wish.

@FrayedBear Oh, I will.

@AstralSmoke I do not anticipate definition until penultimate minute and perhaps not even then.

@FrayedBear Well, I'll keep watching and reading.

@FrayedBear But my point is that she sees herself as less. That is what is sad.

I certainly have no such need.

Define undereducated. Not having the piece of paper?

@nvrnuff That’s why I keep putting the word in quotes. If I try to define the word, I’m stereotyping. As has been stated here, some people reach fascinating intellectual/ alternative realities with no formal education.

In my experience, that is the exception—not the rule. But, it does happen.

Edit: I see that I dropped the quotes. An error.

Yes ! Come to South Aftica and you will experience it 1st hand !!!

@VAL3941 Don't need to. I'm from Kenya.

@mudhen I think you’re a little late for the country. I still attempt to be an equal opportunity critic, but most people I know are virulently on one side.

@mudhen It's an insane time we're living through.✌?

@Petter
So you agree ??

@VAL3941 We had many South Africans living in Kenya.

@Petter
So you said.

of course, diversity is the characteristic of live forms. In view how bell curve would fill up, the uneducated people will congregate heavily in religious and LIBERAL portion. And again, liberal referring to what those people are doing now in comparison to conservatives.
Both sides are corrupted swine at the trough. If elections were to change anything they would be outlawed for a long time. It provides entertainment like football. This also explains the assault on education. The government needs stupid desperate people smart enough to "load, aim, and fire" to protect the wealth of their rulers who told them different BS like fighting for Jesus The priests will bless their ammo, their guns and their bleeding bodies and all if fine...

Ah, but you did reply, touche'.

Then, date a homicidal 500 lb dude who's into cross dressing and beastiality.

Because love knows no boundaries...

I mean, think about what you're saying.

So, you're comparing those without college degrees to gigantic homicidal cross dressers. Think about what YOU'RE saying. I think you know what he was saying, but you just couldn't help yourself.

I remember a letter to Ann Landers from a woman fooled not to have sex before marriage. She married a necrophile. Ann Lander's recommendation was to run, not to be all, accepting. I would second that action..

Exactly

They say that second-level education teaches you things while third-level education teaches you how to think. That's probably not so true nowadays what with education being big business and ideologies being so integral to the 'education'. When I was in college, I found that they didn't directly teach you how to think, but you learned very quickly to teach yourself to find what you need to know. So you get the confidence to dig deep and get good at it over time. I didn't succeed in life by going to college because I'm an idiot generally but I'm very grateful for the education that gave me the confidence to pursue the things I love in life.

"Listen to me - I know Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs".