Thanks for commenting on this old post. By failure I mean the failure to find the relationship that you want. I think that people in general who aim "higher" end up getting people who are with them for the wrong reasons, like to get money spent on them, or to be able to live a higher standard of living, rather than for love. It leads to an empty existence. Being in a relationship with someone who is using you is bad for the psyche.

We are raised in stereotypes ... Stereotypes are the fertile grounds where politicians and other demagogues plant their primitive ideas. Nationalities are stereotypes.

I aint touching that one with a ten foot pole. I have found many Asisn men very attractive but I never got the sense any of them were open to becoming interested in someone like me.

@seaspot_run I am just an old shit stirrer ...

@seaspot_run, @Faithless1 I just wanted to throw in another element ...

@Faithless1 go on....

You probably never gave older women the chance. I was a muse for a sketch artist at the age of 50. Totally uninhibited, in are older women. I could die tomorrow. Live wildly

@Iamkratom As I said this depends on the phase in one's life. As mentioned before I was into older women until my own aging process had etched away the difference. When I was 15 I often fantasise about women 3 times my age. If I had maintained that mind set I would be fantasizing about Napoleon's daughter and other ladies soon celebrating their bicentennary.
Time is a good healer but a lousy beautician. I can also understand that younger ladies might not be at all interested in old men.
One of my female friends married a 25 y-o guy when she was 50. Her dilemma was that she wanted to minimize the impact of aging on the various parts of her body. Sadly enough one of her breast implants ruptured.
I don't know whether this was a contributing factor in the breakdown.
Just keep an eye on Emanuel Macron and his wife Brigitte.

@PontifexMarximus if Macron ends up back on the market, le jeu est en cours

@seaspot_run perhaps he'll propose to le Donald

@PontifexMarximus LOL! Guess I will have to go back to Justin Trudeau for my political crush then.

Oh where to begin in unpacking this foolishness? Men age “better” than women? Is this all men you’re talking about? Where is the “data set” of information to support this claim? In what peer-reviewed journal will I find the support that men age better? Did you deduce this by yourself? Have you taken into consideration all the Viagra needed for these men to even be sexually useful later in life?

An actor in his 60s playing the romantic lead is based on the sexist male control of the movie industry and has nothing to do with the ability of older women to satisfy younger men. You are using social constructs to reinforce a social construct, which, aside from being inaccurate, is the height of laziness.

@Cricket9 Firstly I said at the onset I go for the person not the body. But lets put some facts out there rather than feminist rhetoric. Men stay fertile much longer than women. This means that even if your Mick Jagger you are still going to able to make a baby. This is sex ie reproduction ie what our bits are for. This IS shown by movies and sorry it is not just a hollywood male dominated industry thing. It is market forces. If a Jane Fonda, Brad Pitt film sold as well if not better than a Sean Connery, Catherine Zeta-Jones movie then you can bet any money you like, someone would make one. Unfortunately Female actors only get to play character roles because thats what puts bums on seats. Not because of some male agenda. As for the blue pill thing. I never said we were as virile but then again there are a lot of women out there on HRT keeping the flame alive.

@273kelvin Once again, show me your peer-reviewed proofs. I am not the one spouting rhetoric. Step off.

@Cricket9 I am off out soon but I will get back to this. in the meantime. What part of males stay fertile do you dispute? What part of older actors pull bigger box office than older actresses do you dispute?

@273kelvin 1. Males fathering children late in life does not equate to men ageing better than women:

[menshealth.com]

@273kelvin Assuming older women can’t be romantic leads

[vox.com]

@273kelvin Again, you are using an existing social construct (read as: imaginary and without tested data set to support it) in order to continue to reinforce your social construct. Circular reasoning will be laughed at as it is dismissed.
On the male agenda in cinema:

[latimes.com]

@mudhen would not hit.

@Cricket9 2 people in their 30`s both think that maybe having kids one day would be an idea. The woman will include older guys in what she is looking for. The man less likely to

@Cricket9 well ... I even remember the date I witnessed this anecdote. Ben his name was. I had never met this old Dutchmen until this 29th of February of the bicentennial" of the big brown land downunder* . He greeted us politely and added that his wife was sending her apologies. "She's in hospital," he added as an explanation. "Oh, is she sick?" "No, just having a baby. Ben was 71. Two years later we received a card informing us that the Ben's youngest son had another little brother.
There was no IVF involved.
Needless to add that I have never come across a woman in her 70s having a child ... Naturally. Nature is an amalgam of injustices. Women live longer, but their childbearing age is usually shorter than men's ability to father children.
Many women seem to lose their libido earlier and it doesn't seem to bother them as much as men.
For many men the prospect of becoming impotent is almost like a death sentence.

@Cricket9 I read both those articles and they only go to back up what I said. The top 3 grossing pictures had male leads in excess of 20 years age difference. This is not because of some agenda, this is market forces. Nobody forced women to find Richard Gere attractive.
No surprise that hollywood is a male dominated industry, nearly all industries are. We would be here a long time discussing the rights and wrongs of that.

@273kelvin When we change the social construct we change the outcomes. And I agree, I've spent all the time on you I intend.

@PontifexMarximus At no point have I discussed IVF. Also, 71 year old men run a greater risk of defective sperm impregnating women. Regardless, let’s focus on this asinine need to procreate prolifically. We are already overpopulated on this planet. More narcissists vying for immortality through offspring in old age is ludicrous. Lastly, the discussion is about the idea of men ageing better than women. I have no idea what reproduction has to do with this topic, but you penis owners seem obsessed with it.

@Cricket9 I dont know why you deny that reproduction has nothing to do with attractiveness. When it is the biological imperative that motivates our sex drive. It is the reason women will wear sexier clothes when they ovulate. Its the birds and the bees ffs. Also men later in life will be on average more successful than there younger counterparts ie. better providers which is sexy in biological selfish gene terms
As for changing social constructs, good luck with that one. At the moment market forces say that women like films such as "pretty woman" and as women make about 80% of all purchases. It will be women who drive the market as usual. So there will be no need for them to buy all those anti-aging creams and potions, die their hair etc. Cosmetic surgeries will no longer be giving them nips and tucks when their bits go south. Because we will all live in a utopian ideal. Where we will all grow old as gracefully or disgracefully as we want and Trump will just be an ugly memory. I like the idea but I won't be holding my breath.

Women, studies have shown, are more apt to choose movies to be seen, especially with the "older crowd", who happens to have quite a bit of disposable income, at least in many parts of the US. So is it really a surprise that older actors continue to bring in box office bucks? But if you check the Most Beautiful Women lists, the average age has gone from 33 in 1990 to 39 in 2017, so there has been some movement there. Julia Roberts came in first last year and she is over 50!.
Younger women have long been reputed to make men "feel younger". If you look at it logically, based upon post industrial age history, women and men were separated once they started a family, and were no longer in a honeymoon phase, with women having to be mothers, and men looking upon them differently. As people waited longer to start families and divorce became more prevalent, the instinct of younger women looking for security and older men looking for their fertility.
Despite this, I really believe that intelligent men and women realize all this and make their choices from both the head and heart based on a combination of things for compatibility.

@ThinkKate You can quote all the studies you want. I will simply say Bogiie and Bacall. The man had a face like a walnut but he was still sexy.

@273kelvin That's okay. I never found Bogart sexy, but I understand that facts and logic can disrupt sensitive egos. If you'll notice, not all the men here agree with you.

@ThinkKate Im saying that thats not what I necessarily go for either. I am painting with broad strokes.
PS only one guy has commented on this comment and that was to confirm what I said.

@ThinkKate Sure the average age of women in films is increasing. I think that the mans age might be too. do you not think this might be the improvement in cosmetics, health care regimes and/or surgery that make them look younger? I will take your point if you can sight a true 60 old woman in a romantic lead. Not someone who is trying to look 40 something but a real 60 old. Like me or anyone I know.
Don`t get me wrong , I would love to see it but the market rules

@273kelvin You mean like Diane Keaton, Meryl Streep, or Helen Mirin, Sigourney Weaver, Susan Sarandon or Geena Davis?