Please keep in mind as you hear this that without Genesis and the Garden of Eden story there would be no need of Jesus whatsoever. This is why the church world keeps this insanely absurd story in their Buybull book.

Thanks Phil...

Matt Dillahunty is terrific, a great mind and rhetoritician

This is my favorite discussion to bring up with Christians. They always ignore me at first and say "FREE WILL" but I have not once, walked away without making them reconsider their position. They don't admit it, but i can see the change.

Battered person relationship fits exactly into a god/human relantionship

Yes, nothing as jolly as inherited guilt. Once people have that in their minds, no matter what the heirs do or how much they try to make reparation, it's never enough. I especially shudder when people blame young children for the actions of a relative many miles away and threaten those children.

I believe that you will find that if you look at all religions, you'll find that at their essence the main driving force within is about trying to obtain control over others. The real reason for evangelizing is to find more people to control and solidify the perpetrator's own self-delusion. There seems to be no level that religions won't stoop to in order to obtain mind-control over others. They will engage in shaming, distraction, misdirection, lies, and mass murder to maintain their control. All of which, if interpreted through the lens of the moral parts of the bible, would be totally unacceptable to any rational, thinking person.