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The hospice service for which I work is proud to "honor vets". I don't have a problem with this. People who have defended our country deserve to be honored. What I do find creepy is the extent to which war and religion are conflated. Each of the presentations of medals to vets is accompanied by prayer, in which there is usually talk of "good soldier for country" equated with "good soldier for Christ". Is it just me, or do others also object to this equivalency?

AuntieM 4 May 29
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Patriotism and Religion are equivocated and conflated in the United States. There seems to actually be a movement to support the Idea. Our government is not a theocracy in form but rather application.

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I find most aspects of religion, war, and nationalism to be disturbing. Why should any of them be praised, advocated, or facilitated? It's a loaded issue with many moving parts though.

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I'm a vet, and what pisses me off is all of the lives, both military and civilian, that have been lost in the needless and senseless wars that have happened and continue to happen in my lifetime.

@Captnron59. ?

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I'm a veteran myself who happens to be an atheist and I object to any encroachment of religion into our secular government.

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I am an 81 year old vet, and it would bother me too.

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My dad was in a VA hospice for 2 years. Yes, everything seems to be surrounded by prayer and the singing of the national anthem. I just figured that most of these vets were still of religious persuasion or were so indoctrinated into the process that it seemed natural to them. I never took it as good soldier for Christ though. I think it is just more of the same denying the separation of church and state and that bothers me

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It is an outrage. Religion makes it ok to murder for the state & is then rewarded for it.

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I am active duty and will say it is getting a little better. When I was enlisted in the 90s, there was definately a shaming for non religious members, even if subtle. Admittedly, I was religious at the time. However, I was able to leave "so help me god" out of the oath years later when I commissioned and when I promoted to Captain. There is a chaplain who leads a prayer at just about every military ceremony and I like to use this as an opportunity to locate the other non-believers by looking around the room to see who else has their head up. There is a slight appreciation that not all military members are religious, which is likely a fairly new appreciation, but there is a long way to go.

I also look around during events where they say bow your head for a prayer. And I’m never the only one. Don’t suppose the religious people will ever know.

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This is a religious country. We like or no like.

This "supposedly" is a secular government with the majority of it's citizens being religious.

@jlynn37 most call themselves christians, you want to count how many churches in the nation? Want to check the dollar? Police has chaplain, Military has chaplain, Legislature as chaplain. Hell, even atheist use scientists as chaplains. We are a very fringe minority.

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Easier to send someone to their death when you can promise so many rewards when they die

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It's all political propaganda. It's flag waving to distract us from the fact these damaged people have been callously used by the ruling class to further their imperialist goals.

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It is understandable, if inconsiderate, that a Christian would grapple with the death and war in terms of their familiar metaphors and tropes. Gradually, they are figuring out that this is a diverse society in which, as a matter of fact, their majority status is fading, but it's a slow process.

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Must be a bit awkward for Jewish and other vets.

Gareth Level 7 May 29, 2018

Many religious (christian) types don’t notice or care if they make things awkward or uncomfortable for others.

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