Unclean animals?
Wait. In the Judeo-Christian myth, why did "god" create "unclean" animals?
Or were they tainted after the fall in the garden of Eden?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Actually unclean animals are not what you think they are. A pig is an unclean animal if you lock it in a pen and feed it slop. I can remember my grandmother saying come on, let's go slop the hogs. Chickens and beef stuck in pens and fed a steady diet of pesticides, antibiotics, preservatives, and other additives. That is what is considered unclean. Animals should get to roam and get a grass diet without being poisoned, which by the way, all gets passed on to us.
AntaresRose
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June 3, 2018
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I think more distorted minds evolved after this story hit the populace. Any idea where the locale of Eden is supposedly mapped. We have some idea of where Moses and the Old Testament yarns were spun, but this one seems to have eluded the Credits.
Nevermind345
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June 3, 2018
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I know Kind David and his father owned the land where Babylonia was later and Iraq / Iran is suppose to be today. I heard that the original Jerusalem was about 50 miles south of Bagdad. I learned this along time ago, so my memory maybe off.
@BettyColeman I was in Israel for 6 weeks last October and travelled to the 4 Sacred Cities. Jerusalem was a big disappointment as it's one Gigantic Flea Market. The only revelation I have about the whole excursion which was a fantastic trip was the Jesus was Black. I went to Abrahams tomb which is in Hebron. Ruth's tomb was in Bethlehem and we had to go thru a checkpoint to get to it. as it was in a Walled Section of BethlehemI should have rented a car and I could have seem more, but their pretty carzy as far as driving goes.
@Nevermind345 today, geographically, nothing is where it was in Bible. I would like to see the area for the historical value, but have no desire to die. Why the Jews fight with others over that damn wailing wall is not my idea of worship, nor God's O suspect, One of the commandments states no worship of false Gods or images. My interest is pure;y historical.
I don't think that Abrahamic mythos gives a real reason for creating anything other than serving, worshipping, and doing his work.
It gets very clerical, it's not a necessary perspective where everything is brought about by logical justification like "Okay we let there be this, and therefore that" or "We have this problem and thus we do that solution" or "We have this scenario so we do that behavior".
It's all memetics and arbitration.
DZhukovin
Level 7
June 3, 2018
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My compost pile is clean. The goose shit on my sidewalk is unclean, especially when it comes in the house. This is the law for all time. Teach it to your children so that they may live long and prosper.
HappyBeekeeper
Level 3
June 3, 2018
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Seem kinda how it was done. Shows how bad of cooks they were. As nomad (more likely always mads) they would have met others that were very good at cooking the banned foods.
And this makes a difference in your/my life & eating habits Why?
AnneWimsey
Level 9
June 3, 2018
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To treat pork you waste a LOT of water, in a desert tribe such a prohibition made sense.
Davesnothere
Level 7
June 3, 2018
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Pigs breed like insects, and they destroy habitats all over the world.....
@HappyBeekeeper and what does that have to do with being "unclean"?
@HappyBeekeeper so do people
actually this is the Pig divide i.e. that eat or not pigs. Roman Catholics don't mind eating pigs but it is forbidden for Muslim and Jews. The main reason is because pigs require very little room to live and were housed by Romans in a very small pen and used as waste disposal animals (from feces to kitchen scraps). The concept of parasites transmission was not known then. Archeological finds on Roman latrines has shown that parasites were prevalent. Some religions decided that animals that eat human shit are probably filthy and should not be eaten while the Romans made everything out pigs from leather, to condoms, to great food.
@jlynn37 pigs literally breed like insects. Any culture depending on pigs will soon find their environment destroyed. Pigs are a bad idea. Not sure how that could be written to fully warn of the consequences of cultivating pigs...
From what I understand, kosher laws evolved because at the time there was no other way to keep foods sanitary. But then they got written up in the old testament as some sort of sacred ritual, so of course after that you never questioned it.
bleurowz
Level 8
June 3, 2018
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@Morganfreeman A bit off topic, but Kosher & Halal slaughtering methods forbid stunning the animal first so it's generally considered less humane.
@Carin Yes, that is true too about humane killing. They now have Kosher hot dogs made be Nathans and they taste like ours. I mean our organic beef hot dogs. They have been around a while. I don't eat them anymore.
I love eating pigs! there sooooo good. pork chops and pork loin. If we eat more pigs they will not be able to over breed. just eat them all up.
Can get a larger picture from just looking at pork.
Swine is particularly susceptible to Trichinella which leads to Trichinosis Badly kept swine herds will have the parasite and its cysts. The cysts when eaten release the larvae into the host which burrow through the small intestine and after a while the females release new larvae which form cysts in the hosts muscles. An unpleasant disease.
So if, as a ruler, you don't want your populace dying from disease what easier way to stop it than from religious dogma? Ban it because <insert deity here> says so to some prophet of some sort.
Then include in the banned list anything that either makes people sick sometimes or you don't personally like and there you go.
Of course when you then adopt the general story and want to force it onto others like the Romans did with Christianity you have to make allowances. Europe, from the Mediterranean to the top of Britain were all keen swine keepers and weren't going to give up their pig herds without a fight. So when the Romans wrote the New Testament they were sure to include pigs as being ok otherwise their crusade to spread their new form of control would have faltered.
Jontom2017
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June 3, 2018
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But wait oh mighty deity, make "unclean" animals in the first place? not forego that and make nothing but "clean" animals? What purpose doth dirty beasts have? Hoof huck tup? (Say it fast)
Ah, but the biggest Catholic industry was fishing. That is the real reason Catholics eat fish on Friday, only the Pope didn't tell anyone. It gave the industry a boost and the tithe a boost.
so what! every pill and procedure that doctors do have consequences but people still run to them and praise them like they were a god. cows have steroids, and everything else has GMO's in it. Are you serious! lol
@IAJO163 That's a good one. LMAO. MIGHTY DEITY make unclean animal to test unclean human! Now all f huck tup.
@IpraiseMYSELF I don't eat meat, but they do have organic now. That means grass fed, no steroids, no antibiotics, no pesticides, and no artificial coloring. If I would eat meat, that is what I would eat.
They were clean until sin entered the world. Then guidelines were needed for man's diet. But man was originally a vegetarian or vegan
Differentminded
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June 3, 2018
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We have probably always been somewhat adventurous omnivorous creatures - eating insects, fungus, plants, fruit, eggs, fish, and yes meat when we could get it which until the advent of farming probably wasn't all that often. Any physical anthropologists out there!
In the villages today in Africa, far in there is no electricity. So your food runs around on its feet until you are ready to eat it. The is no way to preserve meat. If the had chicken, the person who got the chicken's feet in the middle of their bowl was the honored one. I have a friend whose daughter joined the Peace Core and served 2 years in Africa.
YHVH is a big jerk, the way that book reads. This is the best explanation. Also created fruit that nobody is supposed to eat.
He's like the world's worst Dad, drunk and in a really mean mood, with no Mom to keep a check on him.
Paul4747
Level 8
June 3, 2018
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Why is it always the woman's job to create peace & quiet?
And the snake getting EVE to eat the Apple is called the Original Sin. That gets passed down generation to generation. I hate snakes.
@BettyColeman
Snakes. Why'd it have to be... snakes?
@BettyColeman I love snakes. NO LIES FROM SNAKES, they show you exactly what they want, food and warmth.
@IpraiseMYSELF Downside, they may bite you in the ass if you're not careful
@Paul4747 So do women! LOL
@Paul4747 Maybe that's why Eve and the snake got along so well.
Because it's just a silly book, copied from the Sumerian texts and other writings.
birdingnut
Level 8
June 3, 2018
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Nobody really knows. The distinction starts with Noah taking larger numbers of some animals than others, but there's no justification for why some are distinctly "cleaner" than others.
Bag loads of Rabbinical writing has been done on the subject, none of that manages to make sense of the distinction but some of the leading hypotheses are:
-it's just a test of faith
-unclean animals are more likely to carry pathogens
-it relates to which animals are sacred in other faiths; clean animals are those worshipped by other religions
Anyway Moses and Jesus likely never existed so maybe they should worry about that before they worry about dinner!
Rufus_Maximus
Level 7
June 3, 2018
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did Noah take mosquitoes? That was a big mistake, LOL!!!
@IAJO163 mosquitos, bot fly, tetsi fly. Millions of people in the tropics and Africa are thankful to Noah for bringing those delightful creatures along!
@IAJO163 it would make sense to leave the diseases behind if possible wouldn't it? Then again it would make sense to just come down and tell people to be nice rather than drowning the vast majority of life on earth.
He didn't just take 2 of each? All those pictures of the animals going up the ramp two by two were just another lie?????
@Carin according to the Torah he took between 14-16 of each kosher animal and up to 4 of other animals (the famous biblical "two by two" likely being some sort of misunderstanding of this). Evidently the writers of it knew that a single pair wouldn't be enough to sustain a species unless that pair was Adam and Eve.
@Rufus_Maximus Interesting! I have NO knowledge of the Torah.
@IAJO163 makes you wonder what everyone ate and how they kept the ark clean huh?
Where did you get your information from a cracker jack box. LOL
No, I think he is just supposed to have created them, just as he supposed to have created all the other "creatures" and Donald too.
Jolanta
Level 9
June 3, 2018
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Donald duck? I vote for him.
and just look at how many christians eat bacon, shrimp and lobster
Jontom2017
Level 5
June 3, 2018
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In the New Testament they got permission to eat anything they wanted.
Christians eat anything except during lent. During lent they have to give up a food they like. They will eat seafood.
@bettycoleman what the hell is lent? Lol
And enjoying it to the max.
@IpraiseMYSELF It is the 6 week period that starts I think with Passover and ends with Jesus dying and going to his Daddy. This is a Catholic dogma, and I am not up on it. I had some friends that were Catholic.
Join P.A.T.C.H. and I'll answer your question there!
IpraiseMYSELF
Level 6
June 3, 2018
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@icolan A group on this site. go to my home page and look at my groups.
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