Let's go down the list. Morality is grey and in reality different to each person much less different regions/countries/whatever.

Okay if I did it but what if everyone else did it. Who says they aren't I would say a majority chooses the so call good choice which could be bad. It does not matter if I do x or if others are allowed to do x to me it will happen either way. Shit happens be it good or bad.

I hear the word virtuous and laugh. That word should not even exist it is useless. At best a way to measure dicks with someone while seeming absolutely eloquent.

Now onto the other thing. Thriving society well we live in a society where a lot of "bad" choices that others would not make happen and it is thriving. In societies where people barely get to make a choice, it is horrid and they are dying daily so in those examples I have flipped the table and shown you you are wrong.

Happy I have no concept of that but it seems like a very grey vague nebulous term what makes me happy will not always make another happy and then some serial killers are only happy when they are bathing in another's blood.

Going to say it now "honesty," "industriousness," and "generosity' < that does not create a happy life. Usually, the opposite if you are good at it.

You think of us as some infallible creatures almost with how that is written. Nope usually the darker the person the easier they have it in life there is, of course, a tipping point but if you balance it right you will be far better off than some stereotypical hero type. I am where I am because I am honest, loyal, loving and caring (or was) if you wondering where I am well it is below the bottom.

Have you read Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics?

[classics.mit.edu]

Much of what I discuss here is the product of Aristotle. Maybe you disagree with the arguments there, which again is your prerogative.

But I do bristle at the notion that honesty, industriousness, and generosity are not ingredients in a happy life. The liar, the idler, and the miser are not going to be happy people, even if their lies, indolence, and greed produce pleasure in the short term. (Perhaps you are treating "pleasure" as synonymous with "happiness," something else I'd disagree with.)

I don't follow your argument "Thriving society well we live in a society where a lot of 'bad' choices that others would not make happen and it is thriving. In societies where people barely get to make a choice, it is horrid and they are dying daily so in those examples I have flipped the table and shown you you are wrong." Could you flesh that out with an example?

Not always some idiots jump off bridges 100s of feet into a river breaking a shit ton of bones while others refuse. The ones who refuse could easily end up in jail while the one who chose to could find his happily ever after per se.

If you evaluate the options and suicide seems the best, well by-by.

The butterfly effect may choose it to be but it is the end of your choices of course.

Or the cars trunk?

I go with my urges or what is simplest if I am tired. I a lot of the time just rely on rice lol. Well, rice and cheese with sandwich meat tossed in. With of course the typical butter, salt, and pepper.

You are correct I am however speaking from a typical human perspective. I mean the end of your days looking back. Good and bad is quite grey indeed but to each person, they have their own so if your life is bad to you or has been and it is what all based on what feels good then you chose the option that felt good with a bad outcome. We can only base our knowing if you wish on what we assume is reality if not we all would go insane eventually because we honestly could all have been born yesterday. The choice and us being able to choose is unlikely but there is a small percentage of it being possible.

At any given time, we are the sum total of all of our experiences.

I use that quote often, along with this one, which is also (I think) relevant: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
~Hamlet to Horatio

Love Hamlet! My first encounter with the play was as a small boy buying shoes. The salesperson asked me whilst getting ready to measure my foot with the Brannock device, "2B or not 2B? That is the question! I"ve been a Shakespeare fan ever since.

Hamlet is my favorite. After reading it the first time I'm always surprised by how liberally it gets borrowed from. I have to admit my first exposure to it was from Gilligan's Island

He seems like someone I should read. I guess I belonged in olden times lol.