I agree, it makes no sense...how can MORE guns ever be the answer to begin with! It shows the ignorance of human nature and supports the position of gun holders that their rights are above the safety of the citizens! Even their opinions are worth more than their fellow citizens! I would like to meet the gun loving people when their children are shot to pieces!
Handling weapons is not to be taken lightly. I am not against some teachers being armed, if they want to do so and have the training to be responsible. My concern is that we have trouble recruiting good teachers now, as the pay is way too low for the great responsibility of educating our children. So where do we get this pool of ex soldiers who also have the skills to be good educators? Low pay and poor training in the police community also can result in hiring people who want to be an authority figure and may not be equipped to handle stressful situations. They may even provoke an attack. Most of these "bad actors" are troubled kids too and need to be identified and provided supportive counseling so they can fit into their peer groups better, get educated, and become productive citizens.
It is clearly better than the alternatives.
If teachers don't want to carry guns that is fine.
Those that do should be trained, and compensated for providing protection.
I think that if there is no armed protection for children the school should be closed.
You wouldn't put children in a school building without a sprinkler system to guard against fire.
So why would you put children in a school building without adequate security? It is inexcusable negligence.
What are the alternatives? That's what I think that I keep missing in this whole discussion.
The alternatives that have been tried are no security and trust in luck ( Sandy Hook), and one expensive policeman on site who may fail to risk his life engaging the shooter ( Columbine, Parkland). As the famous quote attributed to Einstein goes, insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
So your answer for protecting school children is to disarm everyone except police? That's what they had in NAZI Germany and now have in Venezuela. No thank you.
As a veteran I definately agree and I have never been in Combat. When you allow teachers to be armed you are inviting teachers to be killed. Where is their "combat pay?" Imagine cops called to a schooting scene at a school and they burst into a room to find an armed black man. I don't need to tell you what is going to happen here. It might even happen regardless of his color.
More guns and arming teachers is not the answer. Strict gun regulation might be a good start.
@Renickulous Statistics do not back up your last sentence on crime rates and I'm certainly not wanting to argue of debate with you. Maybe we should just let children and innocent people be killed. People all have to die of something.
You might say that one of my biggest arguments is that guns are way too easy to get and that guns do not belong in schools.
In what war did you serve? I served in Viet Nam. [US Army]
I think you are right about the guns. More guns are more dangerous. When I was in combat I worried about the enemy shooting me....but I also worried about getting shot by a friendly.
I think the solution is to ban assault weapons, magazines over 6 rounds, and very strict backround checks. The NRA has reinterpreted the 2nd ammendment to suit the gun manufacturers. When George Washington took office, the standing Army was only 800 men. Each state had its own militia of citizen soldiers who could be rallied in an emergency. The Militia Act of 1790 required that every able bodied male 18-45 years old had to possess a gun in case the militia was called up. When you examine the 2nd Ammendment in light of these circumstances you can see the real meaning of the ammendment. People tend to forget the words "well regulated" in the 2nd Ammendment. Is was never meant that any idiot could buy a gun.
I don't think we will have to fight our own Gov't. We can vote and we have free speech. @Renickulous
Numerous schools already have armed teachers and there have been no problems so what in the hell are you talking about? You liberals seem to think you can solve all problems by banning guns when in reality you are making it worse as unsecured no gun zones are soft targets. Do you really believe a no gun sign is going to stop a criminal???
Regardless of how many weapons are banned. Man will still kill man in whichever land they live in.
The British just swapped guns with knives and machetes. I don't understand why people don't start talking about the source of the problem. Failed parenting, fragmented communities, lack of good role models, broken families, etc. The real source of the problem is how the children are raised. You don't see conservative kids running around killing people. They're too busy studying for their exams or working in their jobs.
So there is either only one teacher in that school or their grammar is unbelievably bad.
Of course it could just be a fake sign made by a gun nut who are mostly poorly educated anyway,
Hi I agree with you totally asinine is probably to easy a word. Can you imagine a teacher pulling a gun on a a young person what is the world coming to What are we showing our children Guns end thing forever they are not the solution only the problem escalating
If we allow armed teachers in schools they would be trained in how to use it correctly. Also if a gunman knows that there may be 3, 4, 5, or more armed teachers in that school then he wouldn't dare enter... These people are cowards!! That's why they attack schools, they know there are no guns there!! If we let armed teachers in schools I can guarantee there will be less attacks!! Isn't that the goal??
There would be a lot more accidental shootings. I am a teacher, trust me when I say, no one should have a weapon in school. It won't help. And I don't believe the gun men are cowards. They tend to be children who were on the fringe, forgotten, not helped when they needed it and are now criminals.
They don't target schools because of their vulnerability, they target what they see as the source of their pain or rage. Facing a gun will be seen as a challenge. The arrogance and feelings of invulnerability of teens and young adults is what prevents them from perceiving danger.
I agree with you 100%. As long as the libtard gun control nuts insist on unsecured no gun zones we will continue to have mass shootings.
I'm more in favor of placing trained dogs in the class room! sitting beside or laying beside the teachers desk! They will take out an intruder in moments (besides I do not know to meany people who knowingly want to annoy a K9). Right now as the military is winding down operations around the world dogs that are already trained are being killed because know one wants them. This would give them a chance for a life after service. Besides this, dogs have an instinct for pointing out bad people. I know if my dog doesn't like you at least the very I should watch you!
Kind of distracting, yet better than guns.
@PalacinkyPDX The possibility that you suggest is defiantly valid however that too me is outweighed by the fact that an active shooter can reek for greater havoc and arming a teacher puts that meany bullets in the prospective area! As the young lady who entered the first post can tell you a bullet has no friends or enemy's! It will take out what ever is in it's path friend or foe! A dog I really think is a bet more reliable than that. Yes when I said trained to cope with this situation that certainly just trained to detect the bad guys.
Though not common, some of those dogs have attacked innocent people. Probably too risky in a classroom full of assho... I mean, children!
@GinaMaria You are right but it is in the way the animal is trained I shared a room in the military for while with Sargent who was a trainer. Along with his trainee's four little German Sheppard pups and mom(who was a graduate). They were all well behaved loving, when in the room, however when working took on the responsibilities of the job.
@PalacinkyPDX No more overwhelming than a busy airport and they are used there everyday!
Sounds like a return to Dodge if the US is not careful. Give pharmacists guns to stop drugs being stolen, also jewellers, 7-11 franchisees, your local Walmart department manager. Sounds like wedge with a very thin end.
I have to agree with you. I would have no business owning a gun. I misplace my keys quite often so worrying about a gun and owning one is ludicrous. Teachers would have to secure it which may not be quickly accessible and seems risky having guns that kids may figure out how to get. How is the solution more guns and more in schools. Thete was an armed school resource officer in the last school. He can't be every where.
Teaching peace is the only solution along with Feminism to end male entitlement. ....if boys were taught how painful and disease risky being penetrated is BOYS WOULD LEARN THE ETHIC OF DO NO HARM TO WOMEN and not to shoot women if they say no to sex
No one would give you a gun. Only people who are qualified and certified would be allowed to carry a gun. What is your solution to the problem? As long as schools are full of innocent unarmed people they will always be a target for people who just want to shoot lots of people. The only solution is armed persons on site. It has happened twice that a shooter came upon a school with armed persons on site. The first time the shooter ended up dead and there were no other casualties. The last time the shooter did kill people but had to stop shooting people to shoot back at the people shooting at him so even then it saved many lives.
The gun trouble in America is truly concerning. I looked up,after about two months after the Orlando shooting, and there had been 65 other events classified as mass shootings in the states... Why do people keep thinking more guns will bring safety?
It is certainly an asinine idea! As an educator, we are trained to write lesson plans, correct assessments, analyze data, differentiate instruction, create behavior plans, create an engaging classroom environment, instruct students who speak different languages, create time to schedule parent conferences, take daily attendance, facilitate collaborate groups, and teach the different modes of learning. It has grown to serve as nurse, feed the students when they are hungry, buy shoes for students, dress the student, teach parents how to parent, and the list goes on. Now they want us to also be security officers while we manage a classroom of students. First, they don't pay us enough to do the jobs that we are already doing and now they want us to do more. The idiots in charge have lost sight of the purpose of an educator. An educators purpose is to educate children to be literate and productive citizens of the United States. Arming educators is not part of the purpose.
The wisdom and experience shared by this veteran home from Afghanistan must be applauded while the idiot politician condemned. ....merging local police and retired military into the schools will be very expensive "security" like the IDF in occupied Palestine. ....solving Chicago murder rate involves dope gangs and pimps owning women on turf. ....nobody has fully budgeted a "safe society" yet in US history
I am glad that you survived your shooting. I hope there are not many residual effects.
Absolutely, certainly and without question. I also, strongly feel that soldiers with PTSD should also not be allowed to possess weapons.
Too many teachers are in the profession because they've arrested at developmental levels that make dealing with other adults who are emotionally balanced difficult. Carrying on sexually with children is a symptom of it and 'playing the authoritarian' with students' parents is another.
Thorough training with non-lethal, disabling weapons would be much safer. For those who would choose it, free martial arts training concentrating on techniques for defense from armed assailants could be helpful too.
@gebulldog The statement wasn't that all or even most teachers (who prefer to call themselves educators these days) suffer from arrested development and Sadistic inclinations.
It is a fact that teaching and other jobs conferring contained authority, such as police, coaches, pastors/priests, etc. are a draw for such profiles. Evidence is ample and undeniable.
Of course most people are dedicated to teaching and other vitally needed services involving authority. The question at hand is whether teachers should be armed with lethal weapons.
As a former teacher, all you can authoritatively claim is that YOU don't fit in the minority described and why would I or anyone else claim otherwise?
I would add in parting that such an arch-sensitivity to group criticism and extreme reaction are not indicative of optimal maturity. Children learn by example. Oh, and example is also the source of most of my reading and comprehension ability. They were and are great writers. Pedagogues expose youngsters to basics and lead, we hope, by example.
I don't get this:. Are teachers somehow immune from going bat shit crazy? Many that I have known, had they had access to a weapon at the time a student was performing a particularly abhorrent behavior would have....well the results would not have been pretty.
Considering everything else this society has decided teachers must do, what's one more unreasonable expectation? But let's not PAY them for all of this, because "those damn freeloading socialists are indoctrinating our kids with liberal ideas!"