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Do you as an individual feel that you make a difference in politics?

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Does one vote count? Probably not but when combined with those of others it can make a very large difference to the winner.Voting for the person that supports my views I believe is very important. Those who feel to smart to vote will be ruled by the dumb.Current pres is an example!

One should no complain if they did nothing to elect the person who supports their view

It counts for every election except the one for the President. 3,000,000 votes did not count in that one.

@Sticks48 That election was lost in July 2016 when the DNC allowed a woman with a 37% approval rating to steal the Democratic nomination from the candidate who has the Highest approval rating in Congress. Sanders would have DESTROYED Trump. He came out of nowhere and beat HRC in 23 states despite all of her MASSIVE cheating.

@MarqG That has absolutely nothing to do with my point. One great thing about math, it doesn't lie.

@Sticks48 said, "...when combined with those of others it can make a very large difference..."

I wish you were correct Sticks. But you couldn't be more wrong,

“I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how.” Joseph Stalin

US elections are a COMPLETE fraud and a farce.

@MarqG I am absolutely right. ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE! That is democracy.

@Sticks48 Yeah it would be IF WE HAD A DEMOCRACY! This isn't even a republic anymore. In fact its not Any kind of representative government. Its an OLIGARCHY, I don't care what they told you in elementary school. Do you need a letter from the President to confirm that for you? I'm sure he'll be happy to scribble it for you on the back of of the Constitution after he wipes his ass with it.Get back to me when you can guarantee a Legitimate election process!

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I vote, for whatever that's worth. Otherwise, no. Not really. No money, no influence, no connexions, no charisma. I'm so easily ignored, I should change my name to 'Terms And Conditions.'

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I'm involved but affecting change is not something that is easy to do. Until we overturn Citizens United, and can securely vote again, democracy is illusory.

Two excellent points.

Democracy has always been a responsibility people tend to avoid. The rich have always manipulated people by any means necessary - that is how they stay rich. I would go further than CU and get all private money out of elections.

Yes, publically funded elections are the ultimate goal, but CU is a good start. @jeffy

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Individually we don't..as a group yes we do..my vote adds to total votes cast for a candidate..I vote in all elections..my small voice becomes a roar..

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I sure as hell hope so.

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The problem with our system is that it caters to the fanatics. If someone tries to act like they have some sense and take the middle ground, they take it from both sides. Neither side wants to have any middle ground. They both want it their way and neither side will listen to anyone with a different opinion. There should be only one party and anyone that can't work well with others should be dismissed. That way, the people in the middle, with a little sense, would run things and do it much more efficient. As a middle of the road guy, I hope I give a few people some perspective. Whether they grow from it or not is up to them.

Really? I thought it catered to the corporations and their whores.

Like your position which mells well with mine. It seems compromise is dead for some reason and the extremes of both parties have control. I wish we could remove 25% of the house and senate at each election. Term limits for Congress and the Supreme Court should be put in place..

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I take it one conversation, one person at a time. People who don't say anything, or even worse, people who discuss by yelling and insulting, never change a single mind. You have no idea who you influence with a quiet, logical and friendly approach to simple, individual conversation. I hope that has some kind of positive influence, and makes a difference. And think voting makes a difference too.

I just googled it. Sounds like a good approach. I think I follow some of the principles, but I will look at it closer!

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feel pretty tiny

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No, no one single little bit these days.
Years ago I did in local things, new schools, police stations, having roads sealed and such. Now, nothing.

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I can only control my vote, no one else's. However I can connect and share info about politics, economics, etc. with many people and our influence can have an effect.

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I think so but there is a big big "yes, but" to this

If you have some small thing you want, something not many people care about: then yes you can make a big difference. I am really into space stuff and usually when I ask my rep and senators to vote a certain way on a space bill they do vote that way.

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I'm here in Texas and if you've ever seen a pile of red ants floating on the water, you'll realize that it starts with one ant, then 2, then four etc, and that is how I think each vote matters. We have no way of knowing how many of the other party are going to vote, so our goal is to just keep adding more and more ants to the pile until we become a land mass.

you have no idea if they count your votes properly

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[QUOTE = [bbc.com] ]

Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

The US is dominated by a rich and powerful elite.

# So concludes a recent study by Princeton University Prof Martin Gilens and Northwestern University Prof Benjamin I Page.

This is not news, you say.

Perhaps, but the two professors have conducted exhaustive research to try to present data-driven support for this conclusion. Here's how they explain it:

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

In English: the wealthy few move policy, while the average American has little power.

The two professors came to this conclusion after reviewing answers to 1,779 survey questions asked between 1981 and 2002 on public policy issues. They broke the responses down by income level, and then determined how often certain income levels and organised interest groups saw their policy preferences enacted.

"A proposed policy change with low support among economically elite Americans (one-out-of-five in favour) is adopted only about 18% of the time," they write, "while a proposed change with high support (four-out-of-five in favour) is adopted about 45% of the time."

On the other hand:

When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organised interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favour policy change, they generally do not get it.

They conclude:

Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But we believe that if policymaking is dominated by powerful business organisations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened.

Eric Zuess, writing in Counterpunch, isn't surprised by the survey's results.

"American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media)," he writes. "The US, in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious 'electoral' 'democratic' countries. We weren't formerly, but we clearly are now."

This is the "Duh Report", says Death and Taxes magazine's Robyn Pennacchia. Maybe, she writes, Americans should just accept their fate.

"Perhaps we ought to suck it up, admit we have a classist society and do like England where we have a House of Lords and a House of Commoners," she writes, "instead of pretending as though we all have some kind of equal opportunity here."
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MarqG Level 5 Mar 6, 2018

How do you really feel?

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None but I do go and watch a few speak just to see the ones that DO have a brain

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By myself, I can't. But, if I join with that person, that person, then person, etcetera adnauseam, WE can accomplish one helluva a lot!

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Sure. Like at 2 am this morning I solved poverty. Now I just have to organize an event for 30,000 people and sell tickets for a million dollars each.

Lauxa Level 5 Mar 6, 2018
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No, in my opinion, the government controls everything. We like to think we're in control, but that's a delusion, same as The God Delusion.

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I seem to be signing a lot of stuff on facebook - petitions but havent much trust in my community any more - I feel that we are getting royally stuffed and nothing to do about it. My Prime Minister seems totally useless and the cabinet is out of ideas and just blundering around. Brexit was a disaster an uninformed vote . I give up we seem to have entered the post truth society. More facebook posts than you can shake a stick at.

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It may only be a small difference, but if I gave into voter apathy, then others woudl make the decisions and I'd have no say at all.

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No, I always vote, but am currently in the UK and have been to rally for proportional representation. I used to go to a lot of rallies when I lived in a city; for gay rights; reproductive rights; union rights etc. I was a member of a party until they ran a campaign that was based in falsehood and then I had to opt out.

Now I support things through online groups such as 38 degrees and parliamentary petitions.

Having a vote once every few years is as good as it gets I guess. I do appreciate that and hats off to the women that worked so hard for me to get it.

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I probably can, but I think I'd have to do something like show up to a political fund raiser with a gun and set a new mass murdering record.

On that scale, you'd need something more effective than a gun, like tractor trailers loaded with cash, or incriminating videos of every politician in the country.

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If the system isn't changed then anyone's vote isn't worth the paper it used to be printed on.

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No, neither do groups.

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