Or, honestly, between multiple partners of whatever sex. Tho I have little tolerance for the FLDS church & lifestyle, it is more the way they treat children & women as property, & the way it is such a pyramidal hierarchy that turns me off, (let alone the church teachings, but that's another matter!) rather than polygamy. Again, my bottom line has to be "consenting adults".

@phxbillcee Funny how polygamy only swings one way - the male way.

It is a religion and it enslaves women and children for a men's racket.

sourceofdesire, there is something very wrong with your statement. Tell me what I can do to get you into bed? If you say nothing, and I was attracted to you, do you think I'm going to waste my time on you? And if you think that homosexuality is so wonderful and great that I can do something to convert "straight" men, tell me the secret. It is obvious that you fear your own sexuality and the fear that you will give in to your desires. I find that very sad but it is your business, just as what I do with my dick is my business.

When I was in high school, I had a girlfriend. We dated for a few years. We made out a lot but never actually had sex. We are still good friends and she is married to one terrific lady. My wife and I both enjoy their company.

Absolutely superb answer !

@MrAgnostic might I suggest that of you have an interest in transgender women that you not use a word that is considered a slur? Also, this looks like the wrong thread to ask on.

@miffy sorry, was in a diferent state of mind. Let's say such a desire has happily been satisfied.

Thank you Shamancro. Anyone who has been around animals knows that the spectrum of sexuality exists in many species.

no kidding. not an issue for most people. this is 2017.

I think he was saying that he thinks homosexuality is a disorder despite being an atheist. He came to his conclusion by his own research rather than taking the word of a god.

In this respect, I am afraid that you are right. Even today, in the year 2018, there are still far too many people on earth, including you, who believe they should care about what others do in their bedrooms.

@Funeralgirl Don't kid yourself Their's a large percentage of screwed up people out here still. You may have noticed Trumpee got elected.

@freespiritflash you're right.

Amen.

heterosexuals or whatever element that is representative of the dominant culture do not have to announce themselves. when people have been oppressed or suppressed for whatever reason at a point they need to speak up and validate themselves

@sourceofdesire So, you're of the "don't ask don't tell" mentality. This country has something called freedom of speech. My daughter (and all other gays) should be able to go out in public arm and arm with her girlfriend. My daughter should also be able to march in a parade with other like-minded people (or by herself is she so desires) to let the bigots know that they are out there. If she wants a gay cake baked she should be able to have it bakes. Bottom line, homosexuality is NOT a dirty little secret that need to be kept under wraps.

source of desire I reread your comment and have to reply again.Heterosexuals announce themselves at almost every opportunity available. just look at the media.

I 2nd with you. Why should it matter on sexual orientation? Lee Scott AirForceNurse1 in Clovis, California

@sourceofdesire , but who is invasive? I never had a gay parade march through my living room. No one ever expected me to behave in a homosexual way. There was quite a lot of expectation, however, that I do behave in a heterosexual way. There are periods in my life where I don't feel very sexual at all. Neither hetero nor homo, just no desire. And while this it not exactly talked about much in mainstream, it is not as if anyone invades my privacy demanding that I explain my lack of sex. Each to their own. i don't care how one expresses his sex drive, as long as no one gets hurt.

You note about the mother's hormones is interesting as both my son's are straight while my daughter is gay.

@kiramea: That's interesting. The sad fact is that female homosexuality hasn't received nearly the study that make homosexuality has, so less is known about things like hormonal influence in utero. I knew a woman years ago who has two sisters who are both gay, and one is more on the femme side while the other is far more butch (are those even the current terms? If I'm using antiquated terminology, I don't mean to offend). I always found that interesting, though I don't know if it points to anything significant in terms of lesbian development.

@sourceofdesire: Can you go into more detail about your experience? Nothing graphic, but for what ages did you identify as gay? Were you sexually active? Did the same-sex attraction end when you met someone of the opposite sex? I'm just confused by the abrupt nature (as you're fairly young) of these changes, and you're the only person I've ever heard of who experienced such a significant change by accident. People who are older sometimes go through a late-in-life change, though I'm unsure if that's entirely hormonal or how much is known about it, but at 19 or younger I'm unfamiliar with other cases like yours except in the cases in which people feel great shame or guilt about who they are. I think back to when I was 19, and the idea that I could have just slipped from heterosexual to homosexual just isn't realistic. That's not to say there aren't some psychological aspects to sexual orientation, but we're usually talking about sexual trauma in those cases as I understand it, and it doesn't sound like that's you experience. The other question I have is, even if homosexuality we're entirely psychological as you think, why would it matter if other people are gay — whether through direct choice or a psychological condition? You seem to object to others having a homosexual orientation, but why? How is this harmful? What stake do you have in their sexual relationships? I feel like it would be akin to me saying that I'm a vegetarian, then deciding that I'm really not a vegetarian and that I love bacon, and then declaring that nobody else should be a vegetarian. Others' dietary decisions don't affect me, and others' sexuality doesn't affect me. Why does homosexuality in others bother you or need to be suppressed in society in your view?

Wrong. Hate hurts all of us.

@Atheopagan do you hate bigots? Or do you call the hate polite disdain, or a sincere wish they could be enlightened like we are?

The only thing we should not tolerate as a society is intolerance. See the work of Karl Popper in the 1940s. [en.m.wikipedia.org]

You are fighting an uphill battle here. Sexual diversity IS and will be. Sexual expression is as diverse as every individual on this planet and always will be. If you start to look at the different things people do with their sexuality , same sex attraction is one of the least deviant forms of that if you want to consider the word deviant.Observing and learning about the world may be more beneficial than trying to rope in the universe

Very very well said! I agree 100%!

Human sexuality, & all that implies; psychology, emotion, culture, sex, etc., etc., is incredibly complex. I'm an old fart, so I don't know if I totally buy into the notion of all these different "sexes" that seem to be sprouting up, but I have always realized that there is no one definition for either male or female behavior or sexuality. I'm a "straight" male, with many cultural "biases" from the '60's & '70's (& even earlier imprinted on me by my parents & culture), but that time of "sexual revolution" also helped open my eyes to the variety that exists. Bottom line, for me, at any rate, is "consenting adults". Anything else is repressive.

@phxbillcee Absolutely agreed. As long as everyone is a consenting adult, it's no one's business what they're doing with their sex lives.

@sourceofdesire I hadn't heard of that. Are these schools trying to make kids homosexuals?

sourceofdesire: I did not choose to be straight, and I do not believe people choose to be homosexual. Someone can choose to not act on their feelings--but that is not the same. I do not think we will see an increase in people "becoming" homosexual--only an increase of people no longer denying their natural feelings as more and more people are realizing that there is nothing wrong with being gay.

Alright. I said just about anything will come into mainstream. Absolute anarchy! Look around. Different cultures with their mainstream. Who knows what tomorrow will bring. Korea's mainstream of things. We will never all come together as a whole humanity. Thats one world dictatorship. Mainstream of things does not need approval. It becomes. It happens. It exists. Mainsteam is not everybody agreeing that things don't happen. People would be surprised about whats mainsteam in different cultures. How about female genital mutilation. That happens in numerous countries. How about circumcision of baby boys. Are you hear to pick a fight with our culture? Do you really belong here? Whats your mainstream here? You feel insulted? Stop with your personal questions that your want to criticize others for their answers.

to source of desire : pedo , rape , animal rape have been and still are in some cultures widely spread but they all result in harm to somebody . there is a victim! lgbtq 's cause have no victims as everyone is consenting. GOT IT

Hmmm... its getting rough in here. Mainstream in a culture. When i was in Vietnam. Parents sent their children out to bring home money. Did the children become abused, yes. Did they want to do this, no. I did not approve this. Yes, they were exploited. Was it excepted in their culture. It appeared to be. The same in 2 other countries i toured. Gays and the young and the older knew that it was a way to make money. Big money for them. They hung on the fence waiting to ask the GI's the question. I don't agree with what I've seen around this world. I don't know about all the stateside cultures. But i can't solve it either. I just move on.

@sourceofdesire I'm gonna say this for everyone, because sometimes in the struggle for EQUALITY, JUSTICE, FREEDOM, AND SOCIAL PROGRESS for ALL PEOPLE, some noses have to be bloodied. And, given your username (suspiciousl) I'm sure you will understand when I say this to you: FUCK YOURSELF!

@PaganSoul Great response!

Some people have no life so they have to focus on the lives of others. And there's no such thing as "encouraging homosexuality". It's either accepted or not. No one can be "encouraged" to become gay.

Amen, err, Right On. Once again, the Wiccan Rede says it - "An it harm none, do as thou wilt".