Hey y'all, we seem to be militants.
I, for one, am NOT militant. I will talk to anyone who will listen to facts and evidence, but I do not do so with a gun to anyone's head.
The issue appears to be that their minds are already made up, and giving them facts and reasons merely confuses them.
@anglophone Yes. It is difficult to reason with people of faith, because they see reason, science, facts and evidence as evil.
@anglophone That's known as the backfire effect. The more facts and reasoning you bring to the table the more they cling to their treasured beliefs. Some people do come around and that gives me hope, although it isn't happening fast enough. The Atheist Experience has shown me that it can happen. Anthony Magnabosco is a good one to watch for ideas on how to talk with people about their beliefs. He practices street epistemology, and he has a patient non-threatening way that I like to watch.
@RhondaShotwell I had forgotten about the backfire effect. Thanks for reminding me.
Speak up now before this bullshit gets out of hand:
"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me."
Well said, my friend..
Bloody peasants!!
@Paul4747 wealthy peasants in the US apparently. [weforum.org]
Apparently Mr. Barr knows nothing of the 1st Amendment and it's purpose. He has it exactly backwards. Seems strange that someone with the title of "Attorney General" would be so wrong about one of the most basic facts about our country.
Or, perhaps he knows all too well and just wants to virtue signal to Trump and his (fan)base. It's not like he's not willing to lie when it serves a purpose.
Yes he knows all to well just like he knows heβs AG for the people of the USA and not just Trumpβs personal AG
He's a Kkkristian facsist..fuck Billy Barbell and nail his scumbag ass to a cross..
Billy Barbell ! Lol
I'd like to debate that point with him. I think I'd win. It's a low BARR
A pathetic fear monger he is, and during an election year. How strategic.
I am a veteran who spent 11 years in combat arms specialties. Do you think the militant secularists can use a competent instructor?
@TheMiddleWay There isn't anything wrong with being militant.
@TheMiddleWay
I tend to agree. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. The problem though, is that the religious are largely impervious to reason. For them, belief trumps facts. It's sort of a Catch-22.
@TheMiddleWay
Pointing out that there is no evidence to support a belief is not a bullshit argument. It's actually pretty powerful when you think about it.
@TheMiddleWay
I never said the religious belief was wrong. It was enough to point out that it was not supported by evidence. And I did insist that the Earth really is 4.5 billion years old, and that humans share common ancestry with apes, and that the first humans evolved only about 200,000 years ago. These are facts, and that is how they should be taught. To do otherwise would be a disservice to the students. IMHO
@TheMiddleWay
Let's be clear: Christianity is not one belief, but a set of beliefs. The question of the existence of a deity cannot be settle empirically. But the age of the Earth and the origin of species can. And have been. And there is no "middle way" through that. It is what it is, to borrow biblical phraseology.
How freaking hypocritical, canβt stand these crooks, uphold religion at all costs, while we kill democracy! I hate all of his executive, I dream of ways of ways in which they die! Iβve never felt like this before, but I feel justified! They are really the scum in the bottom of bacterial goop!
This is bull! When I am at work and just had a customer try to hand me an Awake magazine after she finally got off the phone at the register . I never would impose my beliefs on someone else, especially if not welcomed in the first place. That is wat you call privilege religious zealots.
The corporate christians have been trying to provoke violence for decades. They will keep doing this until they get the result they're looking for.
All directed from our secret secular headquarters.
What is very scary is the fact that the rhetoric driving the violence is increasing daily...this POS in the WH is going to start a civil war if its the last thing he does...he doesn't seem to care who he destroys to get his way...jmho
Thatβs right. Sick psychopath and narcissist. Worst combo
What a strange thing to warn about. Christians in USA have been trying to get ride of other beliefs for years. Pot calling kettle black. With flat earthers and climate change deniers coming from the religious types then it seems like a fair response. X
So the Attorney General has an issue with the push back by the Sane People against the bullshit and lies peddled by the God Mob? Somebody give him a jelly baby - it might help him to feel better.
I'm not militant about driving out religion... but am militant about the teaching of critical thinking skills. Let people make up their own minds instead of blindly accepting what they have bene told.
The problem with the Attorney General is that critical thinking skills are anathema to him, just like all the other cognitive skills.
Americans should hope their attorney general would know something about the Constitution. But it's an administration full of grifters. And Barr is one of the worst of the worst. One of their main tricks is to say about others, that which is true of themselves. Saying they're not trying to establish a religion, it's the non-religious who are trying to interfere with their right to be religious.
Barr makes a mistake that is all too typical of religious folk: that people who do not subscribe to their way if thinking are automatically amoral. The notion that morality springs from belief in a "higher power" is simply preposterous. Moral compass is a product of our evolutionary history as social beings. It is part of the reason for our success as a species, and is completely independent of belief in gods, devils, angels, ghosts, and other such inventions of the human imagination.
Religions can (and have) incorporate immoral behavior in their moral codes (i.e. institutionalized mistreatment of women, acceptance of slavery, etc). The Divine Command Theory defines whatever God commands is moral even if the commandment is murder, rape, child abuse, etc. Someone who declines to follow through on what God commands from them would be considered to be immoral.
@RussRAB
I think that twisting of morality is what led Christopher Hitchens to write, "Religion poisons everything!"