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AS USUAL Patheos pisses me off.

WHY do otherwise rational people of a liberal mindset and egalitarian views nevertheless read Patheos?
Could it be it confirms their biases and makes them feel one of the "In" tribe?

I honestly do not know.

I am Atheist, Ignostic, I do not believe in any Gods and deeply respect the scientific method.

NOW, we all know Pence tempers all his ideas about science with his religious belief. We know he bungled Aids in the past as Gov.
THAT is bad enough on its own, we do not need to add frosting to a shit cake like that.
BUT that Patheos article does so in SPADES, to the point where it is false.

WHY?

YES, Pence held a prayer with the team created to combat Coronavirus. There is no reason to think, and no evidence to support the notion that either Pence or anyone on that team actually believes what the article claims
"That’s disturbing enough, but it’s even more troubling that she posted this photo of Pence “praying with the Caronavirus Team. . .It’s not a joke when people say these Republicans are trying to stop a virus with prayer. What else did anyone expect? Science? Reason? Something sensible? Of course not."

That second part is pure assertion without any supporting evidence, and they do not even spell the term correctly.

The truth is NUANCED. Has the entire fucking world forgotten nuance, that there are gray areas and everything is not fucking black or white?
Yes, they prayed for some kind of guidance is their pursuit of a cure, for strength to hold up under this threat, yada yada
Bunch of useless BS to me
BUT
to 80% of Americans that is not bunk, it calms their fears, no matter how stupid I find it.
AND
A very large part of dealing with epidemiological threats is to keep the population CALM, as panic can do more damage quicker than disease alone.

I hate Patheos because it takes what is bad on its face, inflates it beyond all reason and uses that to ratchet hate and anger. It increases tribalism, even at a moment when we all need to work together, to be on the same page, because virus does not discriminate.

Patheos is the Fox news of the left, and I do not see why reasonable people read that bunk at all, or spread it and believe it.

When the reality is already shit I do not desire someone to claim its virulent diarrhea.

In the absence of constuctive progressive dialogue the views espoused whilst debateable are as reasonable as any.

Might we ask how pathetic it really is and did they pray once or do they pray daily?

@FrayedBear Perhaps the views expressed have some validity, as it is to be expected to question if our methodology is correct always.
Not so with the tone of that rhetoric, it is devisive and combative begining to end and always seems to be so on Patheos.

I believe you are Agnostic not Ignostic.

@DenoPenno Does it matter?

@rogueflyer [en.m.wikipedia.org] ?

@FrayedBear My bad. Thanks for the link.

@rogueflyer TO ME
When I use the term Agnostic, its from the philosophic-literate position. One who claims to have no gnosis of any God, no special knowledge, lacking Gnosis.
So I am Agnostic
When I use the term Atheist it is also from the philosophic-literate position. One who claims no belief in any god(s), lacking Theism.
So I am also Atheist

Most precisely, I am Ignostic

I am an Ignostic

I was raised a believer
AS a believer I thought understanding God of the utmost import.
SO I studied that.
Which is why I am today an Igtheist/Ignostic

Ignosticism is an Epistomologic position; it is a set of ideas refuting the importance of determining the existence of God. It claims that knowledge regarding the reality of God is altogether unprofitable.

It is the idea that every theological position assumes too much about the concept of God and other theological concepts; including (but not limited to) concepts of faith, spirituality, heaven, hell, afterlife, damnation, salvation, sin and the soul.

Ignosticism or igtheism is the idea that the question of the existence of God is meaningless because the term god has no coherent and unambiguous definition.

IF you cannot even define what you are talking about, or consider it beyond human understanding, how is it you can claim to know anything about it and keep your intellectual integrity intact?

@Davesnothere Who would have thought nonbelief could be so complicated? I'm just a simple person of A Theist belief. A little more learned now. Thank you.

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Prayer is what you do when you want people to think you care... when you really don't.

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It's really too bad that we have grown adults who engage in prayer rather than actions with real potential to do good.

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Thanks for sharing! I loved this part of the article: "If this virus truly becomes a pandemic, we’re at the mercy of people delusional enough to think their pleas to God will fix the problem. The same God who presumably created the virus, at least in their minds, will somehow make sure it hurts only a handful of Americans… and a ton of Chinese people."

If this virus was really pandemic, the common flu should be world wide emergency crisis, the difference of their uesrly death tolls show that.
I like your comment about whom actually created the virus, which i like to show also.
Our inequality is out of control, Pence is driving inequality with ignorance. The whole white house is involved in it. It needs fixed...

They likely wish it on all us heathens...and liberals. Still unbelievable to me that complete numbnuts like these run things.

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I feel better now 🥴

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I expect nothing rational from Mike Pence.

Perhaps you could pray for Pence to be put in a bacon slicer and become "rasher- nalised".

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maybe if they prayed to Thor they would get better results

Yeah, Thor definitely works better. He throws hammers and shit.

@Gwendolyn2018 I have to disagree with you as whop would want to have a representative of anything medical helping with this problem. Aesculapius may actually have something to say that would make a real difference. God of Medicine, what are you thinking?

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They're trying to subvert Dog's divine plan. They have to know that he/she/it put the virus here for a reason. (Everything happens for a reason.)

As Carlin put it: 'What's the use of being God if a schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fuck up your plan? '

I don't know who's more pathetic, them or America(us) for empowering them.

People get the government that they deserve. It concerns me that the collective numbskulls of the United States of America are still trying to impose their vile theism upon the rest of the world in exactly the same way as Islamic State.

We didn't empower them . Trump lost the election by nearly three million votes ! It's the electorial collage , established to empower old white men , when this country was in it's infantasy , that is still holding us back . It needs to be removed , It takes a lot less to birbe a few members of the electorial collage than it does to hood wink the entire country .

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We are...

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Pence is imbecilic!!!

Not only is Pence an imbecile, he is also a dangerous imbecile.

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What's equally pathetic is that picture will be seen by Trump's evangelical base of support and they'll think Pence, and by extension, Trump, are doing a great job by going straight to the top with this problem.

Also, isn't coronavirus one of Gawd's perfect creations? Y'know like cancer, the plague, and foot odor?

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Perhaps trump's use of pence as the coronavirus czar will expose his incompetence and flawed judgement. It is unfortunate that many people will have to suffer and die due to pence's superstition.

Pence's incompetence has already been exposed, but that has not changed the minds of his supporters because in their minds he is doing God's work.

if (and when)their pathetic response falls flat on its incompetent face , trump will oust pence as vp running mate and get someone else worse to fill the ticket.... most likely his pea brained daughter

@Redneckliberal Hard to find a bigger ass kisser than pence though.

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It takes a world class idiot to imagine that prayer will remove Coronavirus from the world.

Perhaps you got that the wrong way round and Coronavirus will remove idiots, along with prayer, from the world. 🤣

@Petter It has a 2-3% fatality rate. Rich, old, white men will get good care and be fine. The poor will show up too late at the ERs, strain the healthcare resources, and die anyway.

@Emerald and spread it to each other because they can't take time off from work when they're sick.

@1of5 I'm not poor but as a healthcare worker I have a higher than average chance of getting it and I guarantee you my employer will make me burn through my PTO if I'm sick.

@Emerald if you were in any other proffession of low pay itd most probably be the opposite - if you even had PTO to begin with.

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What's on my mind??

#Pence catches the #coronavirus

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It's the usual pandering to the gullible. Fortunately or unfortunately (depending on how one looks at it) it is doomed to an enormous failure.

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Dear heavenly farter, who created all things for a good reason, please make sure your blessed corona virus only infects the lefty sinners, the gays, the pro-lifers and the democrats with you righteous and wise wrath and passesth over all your good white republican servants.
Ramen

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This is criminal.

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Incantation magic spells being attempted in the whitehouse.

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Mind boggling! God’s chosen on earth, at work!! A truly terrifying sight!!!

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And this is where the country has "DEVOLVED" to...what could POSSIBLY go wrong???

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What a waste of time.......don't they get it...nobody is listening.

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And they effectively put a gag order on the CDC official who was scheduled to talk about the virus in public.

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This is almost beyond belief. It's hard to get a real grasp on this.

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room full of old white guys in suits . . . works every time (if there's money to be made out of others suffering)

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This disturbs on so many levels, it's quite difficult to look at for long ... holy shit.

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