What's the long term plan to stop the decades-old slide to the right? I mean something other than what we've been doing for forty years (voting for lesser evil hasn't worked).

@Fred_Snerd
So I don’t have to patch potholes myself?

@skado "What's the long term plan...?" People are not voting, have allowed evil too much power -- and lack the guts to stand up to the real enemy - thus continue to knife their own.. The system’s not working for me, either, but I’ve some successes to point to for having fought.

What can we do? Vote Democrat - no matter who --- then - after the Presidency, Congress ..and eventually the Supreme Court are in good hands - refine your choices. That simple. Advocating for anything less is feeding the powers that be..

@Varn
How is that plan different from the one that brought us Trump?

@skado It eliminates tossing a vote to a spoiler, or sitting on one's hands ..and allowing the opposition to win. Honestly, it requires a discipline I’m sure this nation lacks.. But even the big uglies have had the sense to work within the system … if distorting it.

It’s been a slow boil, and there’s no easy fix, but if people had the sense to stay the course suggested above, we’d take it back - then craft it to allow Atheists or Agnostics to play, too.

@Varn Precisely--we all need a place at ''the table'' and we'll never have it under a GOP administration.

It reminds me of a petulant child who's determined to cut off their nose to spite their face.

Does anyone else see a similarity between their attitude about voting out trump and the anti mask folks who don't want to be made to wear a mask?

@TheInterlooper please list what the other choices are.

What’s your long-term strategy, and how is it different from what we’ve been doing for forty years?

@skado forty years of ..watching the game, or power-shopping - till the election nears, then allowing yourself to be swayed by whoever runs the most or cleverest ads..? Toss in voting for a spoiler (so you don’t have to ‘defend’ either one) and you’ve the recipe for ‘this!’

I think I’ve begun to understand your kind, but will look into it some more.. They haven’t the power or resources to make things right, so they use what little they’ve got to fuck things up … assuming, not only will it be entertaining.. but if things get bad enough, folks will have to rebel!

Apparently, most know better than to advocate for another uncivil war. Do you?

@Varn
Can you think of any other possible explanations for my “kind”, brother?

@skado long term strategy? That's strange.. I know a man who gambles, constantly, and everything time he gambles and loses he says, "at least I tried. " 40 years and you keep trying.. Oh my.. Might be time to change your strategy...

@TheInterlooper philosophy and politics are three different things.. You are not applying this theory appropriately

@TheInterlooper gee whiz. No commentary? Just a video? You can't support support your position?

@Cutiebeauty
That's exactly what I'm saying. What we've doing for forty years has brought us Trump. How does continuing that old "lesser-evil" strategy bring us anything but worse-than-Trump? I used that strategy my whole life up until Obama (who I voted for twice) turned Republican the minute he was sworn into office. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is... well, you know.

So my question still stands: "How is "Blue-No-Matter-Who" different from what you've been doing all along? And if it's not, why do you think American politics won't continue to slide toward fascism, like it's been doing for forty years?

@skado so... 40 years?! And trump is the result?! Seriously? You need a better long term strategy or something... Wow..

@Cutiebeauty
I have a new strategy now. Blue no matter who hasn't worked. I'm asking you about yours.

@TheInterlooper so why quote logic fallacies regarding politics which Isnt logical at all? Hello?

@skado Answer my question, first, bro ~

@skado No, your question was answered further up, dude, this is just plain harassment: “So my question still stands: "How is "Blue-No-Matter-Who" different from what you've been doing all along?”

Let me repeat: “@skado "What's the long term plan...?"
What can we do? Vote Democrat - no matter who --- then - after the Presidency, Congress ..and eventually the Supreme Court are in good hands - refine your choices. That simple. Advocating for anything less is feeding the powers that be..”

@TheInterlooper Two parties exist; so it’s either one, or the other. Our Founder’s figured that out real quick ...where’d that lose you? So, with a winner talk all - and loser gets nothing system - what are you advocating?

@skado blue no matter who has been working.. The house is blue.. And soon the Senate will be as well...

@TheInterlooper I know what logical fallacies are... What I'm saying is... There's no logic in politics... Especially after watching the impeachment hearings and all the stories the republicans made up..

@Varn
There may be people who are doing what you are suggesting, but I’m not one of them. I’m not advocating for war. Whether you agree with me or not, can you steelman my point?

@TheInterlooper No reason to look further than what I’d heard confirmed less than a month ago. Also, George W. did not sign the Declaration of Independence - go fish ~

@skado What you are posting is contrary to what needs doing, that’s why ‘I’m here.’ I get that you’re groping for a solution. Too bad we can’t get together with the wealthy that also have consciences and counter the powers that have never stopped chipping away at our rights.

I’ve both followed and been involved with ‘this stuff’ for a long, long time. I’ve some go-to people, and check in periodically on the subject; they’d not waste their time here. I do. But to remain politically viable, most can’t..

Honestly ….. We may be doomed. I know, you get that. Not all I turn to have hope, they just want something to hold on to, a semblance of normalcy ...until the masses ‘figure it out.’ They don’t want to think it’s too late. Neither do I, and as I find what fuels my Atheism is my honesty ..I’ve a harder time making like we’re on a sustainable road.

Drives me nuckin futs having to promote politicians who aren’t my first (or 10th) choice. But I do; we’re hostage to the masses. If we drop out, chuck our votes, and advocate others do the same ..the bad guys win. Hell (occasionally an appropriate concept) - the bad guys have won! They keep winning.. They divide us, motivate the worst of us, discourage the rest of us … and slowly tweak the playing field to further benefit them.

It’s destroying the concept of Democracy, and ultimately destroying the very society that feeds their wealth.. Drunk with ideology and greed, those most would view as ‘successful,’ or Billionaires ..are simply sick.

Two options? We attempt a violent overthrow of our government, our military, destroy what industry we have left, create a war between urban & rural enclaves, opening the nation to invasion or destruction from outside forces. Or, we vote for any candidate from the only party left … until that party assumes total control ..then we carefully craft it to our liking.

Dropping out just hands it on a platter to those who’d, at best, lock us up… All here are above average, so it’s obviously frustrating to no end constantly wading through the political ‘decisions’ of the ignorant masses… Even our Founders did not intend everyone to vote, but now they can.. But pouncing on the weaker party with expectations of it providing a better choice has in large part brought us to where we are (fucked). Support that party - then refine it; don’t kill it ~

@TheInterlooper ...interrupter, I described our Founders as having figured out very soon that our system boiled down to two parties. They hadn’t planned that, but lived long enough to conclude it ~

@Varn
I don’t know who you’re talking to, Varn, but it isn’t me. I have never advocated dropping out. Are you familiar with the concept of steelmanning?

@OwlInASack agree with that

@OwlInASack Truer words were never spoken. Corporate Dems are every bit as hostile to progressives as Trumpers because they see us as taking their control of the Party from them. In 'Murica it's all about power and control, not really about policy or good-faith debate.

That’s the spirit

@Varn yeah, it is pretty depressing. I admit. I am hoping this 8 years of crap will produce a better crop of motivated progressives to deal with the outcome (if we survive).

@JeffMesser Actually, trump’s going to be crushed (but don’t tell). The question being, will the nation get back the Senate..? The ‘herbal tea party’ is what scared off the best moderates, Biden reluctantly stepped in to fill the void. In four years, we can consider his replacement, I’m sure he’s one & gone ~

@Varn I certainly hope you are right. It's hard for me to make an educated guess given my location. But from that seat it doesn't appear that way. namaste

Sadly, yes I agree.

@Varn oh he's certainly one and gone if he wins. I'm actually pretty interested in who his running mate will be. Because there's a relatively large probability she ends up the first female Prez of the US.

Polling shows that Biden is leading in the battleground states (even the GOP internals show it). Biden is even leading in the so called "haters" demographic (basically the fuck the incumbent crowd that broke for Trump last time as they saw Hillary as the incumbent).

The best way to ensure Trump wins is to calm defeat already.

@1of5 don't rag on me for being apprehensive. few would be happier than me to see trump's ass kicked out the door. Living in the south I don't get the same vibe you do and the American Body Politik has yet to impress me with it's intellectual prowess the last few decades. It's more about making money than doing the right thing. My negative view is well earned.

@JeffMesser I'm not ragging on you, just actually delivering good news. The "vibe" you say I'm feeling is from reading polls and watching what the campaigns doing, not talking to my neighbors in redneckistaian - I live in farm country.

Expect more and more people to claim Biden is doomed to lose - its actually in the GOP's election strategy to get people saying so and they're pumping it at full volume - but it is not what's actually happening. Repeating the lie is what they want so you start believing it. Don't buy it, it isn't true.

"My view is well earned" is as meaningless a statement as can be uttered. EVERYONE thinks thier view is well earned, grounded in reality, and is the way things work.

@1of5 minimalize and belittle the other person's concerns. yeah that's how you'll win them over.

@JeffMesser ignore what's actually being said, great way to learn things and belittle the person at the same time. Oh well, have the last meaningless word, I'm done here.

@1of5 damyata datta dayadhvam

@1of5 I keep tabs on my local rural ..fellows. Had a good talk with several yesterday … when trump’s being badmouthed in this neck of the woods - he’s as good as gone ~

@Varn ATM I'm avoiding mine - for some reason they want to lead the world in infection rates.

But yeah, when the locals here are grousing...the local meat packing plants issues have actually gotten the local rags attention though, so some may have not died in vain.