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Is it late term abortion or euthanasia if it is the point where the human could breathe on their own?

This may be a controversial and possibly triggering to folks who have had late term abortions. If the fetus/baby/human life form could breathe on its own without the mother, then are we still talking about abortion or euthanasia? The arguement that continuing the pregnancy is not always possible due to mothers health is questionable to me. Is a c section more stressful surgery in comparison to late term abortion? I don't think it would be for me and really that I guess is more of a doctor question. If you are talking about termination due to severe fetal abnormalities, it almost seems more like a conversation about euthanasia. We did have a an otherwise healthy young lady in my area die during a late term abortion and the family said that they didnt believe the risks were explained to their family member before the procedure.

thinkwithme 7 Nov 5
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This is a personal issue, not a political one. Or at least, it should be personal. Why is it being raised here in the political forum?

Because theres legislature out there about it and the subject is highlighted in political rallies and politicians public stances on these issues influence a lot of votes.

Remember the old saying; "The personal is political."

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There is no such thing as "disposing" of a living infant in this country, anywhere. Your attempts at devilizing this subject are pathetic & imply no knowledge whatsoever of how things actually work! Pretty sure your example signed waivers before anything was done, too.
Oh, and yer Babble clearly states life begins with the first breathe, no harm no foul to getting rid of a parasite (within the actual definition of "parasite"!) any earlier. You demonstrate for tapeworms?

Just because the question makes you uncomfortable, doesnt mean it was an attack on you. Hope you feel better

@thinkwithme marched on DC twice under Bush for abortions rights! Plus voted, contributed, wrote letters to the editor, etc.
Damned annoying this is still a thing

@AnneWimsey HIGH FIVES! Lots of them! Thanks...I"m hoping there'll be another WOMEN'S MARCH in January.

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This is an issue which can never be solved. At what point is a fetus viable? A day earlier? A day later? My view is if you must have a pregnancy termination, funding for the first month would be available as a zygote/ embryo is not conscious or viable intra utero. Personally speaking a termination should be done no later than the 2nd month but funding must be available to economically deprived women. The state can not provide for unlimited forced full term pregnancy results. So any "right to life" or anti abortion choice must pay for the adoption of damaged children. Crack addicts, genetically damaged, diseased? Who wants such a burden? The rich & famous can & will obtain anything they desire. It is the poor, that will be forced to carry to term the addicted life., the infected life, the deformed life. It is a cruel subject with no happy ending.

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First off, there are almost no cases where an abortion is performed after the 2nd trimester except to save the life of a mother. Pregnant women may experience conditions such as “premature rupture of membranes and infection, preeclampsia, placental abruption, and placenta accreta” late in pregnancy that may endanger their lives, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). “Women in these circumstances may risk extensive blood loss, stroke, and septic shock that could lead to maternal death." In these cases, an abortion is an emergency procedure. It's not a choice.

There's very limited data on abortions after the 2nd trimester, but it's believed that abortions for fetal anomalies are a small minority.

"Late-term abortion" is a political construct, not a medical term. It's basically a non-issue. According to the CDC, about 1.3 percent of abortions were performed at or greater than 21 weeks of gestation in 2015. In contrast, 91.1 percent were performed at or before 13 weeks and 7.6 percent at 14 to 20 weeks.

In the case of the "otherwise healthy young lady", obviously there are risks in any surgical procedure. If she was otherwise healthy, why did she have an abortion? At what stage of pregnancy? There are missing pieces of the puzzle there and it may be that her family doesn't have the full story.

I wasnt thinking about most of the abortions. I know there are places that have in the law that termination is allowed in the end stage of pregnancy. That's what prompted me to ask the question

@thinkwithme I understand, that's why the first part of my reply addressed the very rare cases of abortions after the 2nd trimester. My point was, these are almost never done by choice, and the premise that the child could survive if not for an abortion is almost certainly wrong.

My own daughter was delivered at 26 weeks, very premature, 1 lb 2 oz., because my (now ex-) wife was having severe complications with the pregnancy. She then spent 3 1/2 months in a neonatal intensive care unit. 20 years earlier, she very probably would not have been able to survive; as it was, they were giving her about a 10% chance at the start. That could have gone either way; if it had been just a couple weeks earlier, it would almost certainly have been a late-term abortion for the life and health of the mother.

If you're thinking about abortions at almost 9 months, those are almost nonexistent. They're basically a myth created by anti-abortion activists. The only time I can imagine it would be medically permissible is a case where it's discovered that the child could not, in fact, survive after birth. Otherwise the procedure is a delivery, not an abortion.

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Not to ''wordsmith'' your question but....if the child has been born naturally, my guess is that it's euthanasia, illegal everywhere. Late term abortions are always done in the case of severe fetal abnormalities, when immediate death due to a life of horrible disability would result.

I find it odd that a patient died as a result of a late term procedure. Very odd.

To answer your other question....late term vaginal abortion would be too brutal. A "c section" is far more humane.

The woman who died due to the abortion was in Albuquerque. You can google it if you want. I don't know how common that is.

@thinkwithme The ''tone'' of that bit tells us all we need to know. It's an anti-choice person who wrote it. I'm sorry for the patient but...we have no idea what physical conditions she had. AND...no reputable clinic would have ''told her not to seek help from an ER." NONE. So...in answer to your comment...it's propaganda.

The clinic where I work has a staff member who's a ''mole'' on the internet anti-choice groups' sites. They constantly talk about ways to discredit/disrupt our business. They brag about it. I've escorted patients into the building as the screamers attempt to frighten women by cursing them, by threatening them with eternal damnation, etc. They're pathetic.

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