Apparently, ppl don't even bother to read or research what they hate about!

@Diaco It's scary to think that adolescents would be allowed to mutilate their bodies because they had been socially influenced to do so. Most of these people have severe psychological problems (depression, etc.). Their decision-making capacity is not just naive and underdeveloped, it's compromised. The expression of gender is entirely artificial, a social role of dress and practice that has no real basis. Trans do everyone a favor by pointing this out, albeit indirectly.

@racocn8 , Scary indeed! Consequence​e of transsexual surgery and Hormone therapy ( transgender Hormone therapy ) before puberty age! When an adolescent is underdeveloped and unstable emotionally nor with hormones. Environmental factors are well-known players besides the person's brain itself, which can have a huge emotional misleading and effects on sex steroids, sexual functions. simply like foods and diets. on the other hand, we have social norms and trends, and as you mentioned Psychological disorders like depression.
it's a disaster to think transsexual surgery and Hormone therapy before 18 is a "RIGHT"! consider XXY "Klinefelter syndrome" or anything like it wrongly as part of EVOLUTION!!! and then say it's being open-minded!
Personally, I will go with Richard without any bias, Till it's just a personal choice thing. btw I'm not Transphobic

True, The sad part is when someone talk about scientific facts and clear definitions, people accuse that person of being "uncomfortable" against trans, ignorance...

He's a biologist scientist, sadly with being open-minded we can't manipulate or bend scientific facts/terms. I think we are Atheists, due to the lack of scientific evidence in religions! right? being open-minded come from philosophy, not science. the Declaration, clearly talks about Women's rights, to cover all rights from childhood to maternity and ... all, you have to clear what you mean by a woman. transgender at birth is Not transgender.

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@Diaco I am not your “my dear” or anyone else’s. I don’t agree with your opinion, let’s leave it at that. No response needed.

@Redheadedgammy , I used "my dear" JUST because of my Respect and your Kind personality as I see so far

Diaco Well...I'm usually a polite person, but I see that as being patronizing and condescending.

@Organist1, Well Idk how it sounds, but you can check my comments, I never used such a word for anyone, but she always was welcoming and kind, especially when I was new here she was one of the first ppl who made this place warm for me, like you All, that was hard for me to reply with an opposite opinion and don't start with a kind word. I think after a while we know ppl around a bit, do I look that sick ?! it's so strange we can't have a simple conversation about clear things without bias!

@Diaco IDK, nor do I have any stake in this issue. Why don't you ask her how she feels? Oh, wait... she already told you.

@Diaco I appreciate you explaining why you wrote “my dear”. I had many years of men calling me “dear” or sweetheart or sweety over my working career and it was said to try and diminish me, and let me know my presence in the industry I worked in (finance) wasn’t where I should be. I took offense to those words and should have explained that to you instead of being so curt in my response. Thank you again for your explanation.

@Diaco I know two transgender people personally. One has gone through his transgender process to transition from female to male, the other is the child of a friend of mine who was born as male but knows they are female. Both of these individuals know they were born into the wrong bodies/sex organs. Dawkins is using this declaration to further hurt and diminish transgender people, something he seems to love to do. He is simply being a bigot. Science does tell us that biology is either male or female, but it doesn’t factor in what is happening in the evolution process of we humans. I have done no research on whether a transgender man or woman can procreate so my opinion may be totally wrong, but I believe evolution is making these changes to humans because we are over populating our planet. This is one way that biology steps in to assist us in not destroying ourselves. Again, only my opinion. Thank you for your edit.

Thanks for posting the link. Interesting document. I can see the purely legal, therefore significant, aspect of the word "sex" excluding trans folks (all of them) so would remove that word from the document. Moreover, zooming out (as I do) a bit, if we simply declared all human beings, regardless of any other distinction, as equal in Rights and Health (aka Human Rights) then all of this goes away.

@rainmanjr , but the title is: "Declaration on Women's Sex-Based Rights" ! right? as an example could you pls define a logical relation between "maternity" and a transwoman?

@Diaco A trans person who's genes were used to create a test tube baby would be a parent and, therefore, have reproduced.

Also, saying that women and men are two separate categories with marked differences is transphobic too? Hemant needs to pull his head out of his ass. I signed it too.

It is much more like MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

what you mean by evolution?! trans genders ?!

@Diaco Evolution doesn't stop. Why wouldn't that include transgenderism?
Makes perfect sense.

@KKGator, Well, then for sure you misunderstood about Evolution!

@Diaco I'm not going to argue with you.
My understanding of evolution increases all the time.

@KKGator , then, Good, I'm sure you will find out that evolution is a biological process and has nothing to do with identities.

@Diaco There you go again, completely missing the point.

@Diaco Biology creates identities so I can't agree with you, here. I do admire the thought process but think you're mistaking identity politicization with the identity's foundation. The foundation seems part of the pouring mixture so can't be separated. As I often say, and did so in reply on this thread, define a human being (scientifically) and then declare that ALL HUMANS ARE EQUAL and the prob is solved. In fact, a lot of prob's get solved in one big Easter basket.

@rainmanjr , Nope, my friend, Biology defines "SEX" which means an individual's reproductive function. But "gender" is a social identity!

@Diaco Biology defines the operation of an individual body and that's all. It is not static and it is not uniform. My biology is different from your biology in some operational ways. SEX is whatever we define an act as. Gender is fluid.

@rainmanjr, so did I say anything else ?!

@Diaco My point still holds. Define a human being (scientifically) and then declare that ALL HUMANS ARE EQUAL and the prob is solved.