No, waiting for the women to ask

I think mating rituals have changed somewhat since then.

It's usually me that asks a girl out. But with online dating booming it depends. I've found that online, even though I initiate contact, 40-50% of the time, I'm being asked to meet them. I always pay though.so it depends I guess.

I read where someone said, and it can be applied to dating as well as on that site...." You have matured, when you can say "NO" without apology, and "YES" without guilt...............

I was in the Air Force for 8 years(1966-1974), doing work that had me moving every 6 months to a years time,as the Vietnam war was raging, and Men doing my specialty(Aircraft Weapons Mechanic),were in high demand,making putting down roots,finding a good Woman to marry and start a family with her, almost impossible. The way it went,I'd find a nice girl,start to get serious,and then the orders would be waiting to move on,after going through this wrenching ordeal a few times,had me make a promise not to date, while I was in the service, to keep breaking hearts(hers and mine).

So,after discharge,I went home to San Diego Ca. where my enlistment story began,after finding work in the electronics industry,I built large electrical power conditioning equipment,it was steady work but the wages were low($2.85 an hour in 1974), I was reluctant to even try to date,as my food and aprtment rent were consuming any money I had to go out and meet Women.

The thoughts of being married with children,I had to put away,hoping for better job opportunities in the future, so I quit dating for 16 years time.After a wage restructuring took place ,I found work at General Dynamics/Convair in San Diego Ca.and worked there many years until my pay increased and could afford a wife,so I ran an ad in a singles paper,my wife to be read it and we married 6 months later, a good marriage, no drama, stress,or serious fights,actually discussions. So from 1990-2016,were happy times for me and her.

First off I must say I do. I had this very conversation with my daughter. She is a beautiful, smart, funny and popular young lady like most of the girls on her squad. Yet for the prom non of them were asked out. Many of the girls throughout the school went in groups and so did the boys. I told her most boys are cowards when it comes to approaching a girl and it has gotten worse because now most communicate through social media. To shield them from face to face rejection.
But I told her that it will get better with age. However, judging from this post maybe not.?

I asked. I paid.
I used to go get what I wanted. Now it is better that I don't want anything.

Call me old fashioned, but I hate the thought of the lady paying for dinner. It doesn't matter who asked who out. I also think going Dutch or 50/50 is a cop out.. If you like the lady enough to ask her out or agree to an invitation the guy should pay. You are paying for the pleasure of her company...and time etc And if you feel like asking a man out, you should. Most men would be flattered to be asked in the first place. You probably should brush up on your flirting skills..because some men are clueless regarding signals that a woman may be attracted to them..you may have to be a bit more forward and less reserved than you might be used to. ?

My idea is that it's perfectly ok to ask or not to ask. And it's perfectly ok to accept or decline.

So here is my sad tale of woe: I'm at a local bar with friends and the guy next to me starts talking with me. We are talking for at least 20 minutes then he says, "yeah I don't know why women don't take the initiative and ask a man for a date. That would be great if they did." So I decide to take the bait and I say,"ok would you like to go out on a date with me?" He answers, " No, I'm not interested in you, I was just making conversation" Hahaaa I never tried it again

If you ask someone out then yeah, you have to foot the bill, Anyway I thibk so. There are still guys out there that ask women out but things are changing in the dating world. I went out with a guy a few times that even when he asked me to do something there was always the idea that I should help pay.

It's not their job to.

Nope, because women always say No ??

Not me. Too much pressure and awkwardness, unless it is someone you have known for at least a little while.

I have never asked a woman out on a date. Of course I'm gay, so there's that.

I'm still not even sure what a date is.
Seems like another word crushed by its implications for whoever hears or says it.
Let's just hang out, do what seems fun.

I think some men a starting to become scared of seducing/approaching women, scared that he might be accused of sexual harassment.

I think in this era it is great when a woman asks a man out on a date. Why should the impetus be on the man? You can discuss who pays when you fix the details.