For some reason, it is very difficult for me to find people who are both existentialists and determinists. They tend to be either one or the other. Can someone explain this for me? The only reason I could see is because by eliminating objective purpose as an existentialist, people seek solace in wrapping themselves up in the idea of the "freedom" that is born of stripping away that very concept. The determinists on the other hand (at least from what I have experienced and read) tends to embrace the feeling of purpose in being in sync with the rest of the cosmos. They speak of things like discovering a reason for their existence as a product of the causal nature of the universe and find comfort in that. It seems as though it might be too depressing for the majority to accept both philosophies simultaneously as they strip away both the senses of free will and of purpose. I find it is bit more reasonable to accept that there is nothing to suggest any kind of purpose in life and that we are also subject to the physical laws of the universe and so are also lacking in freedom of will as everything seems to be determined by these laws. It's in the causal nature of the universe that we came into existence. Our genesis is just one manner in which the universe behaves. One of the many phenomena taking place within the cosmos and perfectly within its nature. The show is not about us and we are just along for the ride. From the big bang to whatever is to come.
Anyway, I'd like to hear more insight as to why maybe existentialists tend not to be determinists and vice versa. Thanks for reading!
Edit: find to seek
I think Sartre explained this when he proclaimed that we are "condemned to be free."
I'm pretty uneducated in regards to existentialism but I'll take a stab here just for the sake of argument.
Can it not be said that the determinist views human consciousness as a creation of the universe, whereas the existentialist views the universe as a creation of human consciousness? If so, they are starting from different premises and the two positions are not so much in disagreement as mutually incomprehensible.
At the level of Newtonian physics, the universe is causal, but there is still no solid answer as to if that holds up at the quantum level. It is possible that to some degree, free will exists as more than an illusion of consciousness. More importantly, it's kind of a moot point. If free will exists, we exersice it. If it doesn't, we still effectively exersice it, even if it's illusory. But personally, I can see what you mean about some people clinging to nondeterministic free will as a comfort, rather than as a rational viewpoint. I guess I could handle either fairly easily, myself. After all, if the universe is only mildly nondeterministic at the quantum level, to such a small degree that it is virtually impossible to see at the Newtonian level, then it's not likely to have a substantial impact on brain chemistry anyway, still leaving us (probably) without real free will. And I'm not sure I would call a cosmic RNG 'free will' in any meaningful sense anyway.
Sam Harris makes a good point about the fact that although quantum mechanics might rid some of the causality in the cosmos, it only leads to randomness, which is definitely not free will. Either way, the brain is recognized as the crown of decision making, and it is governed by more of a causal nature than randomness. And again, even if randomness had a larger effect on our decision making, it still leaves no room for free will.
Thanks for the reply. You seem like a real sharp guy.
@EliRodriguez11 Thanks!
...who's Sam Harris?
@DonThiebaut he's a popular atheist. A member of the "4 horsemen of the Non-Apocalypse." He's worked in neuroscience, neurophilosophy, philosophy, and active antitheism alongside Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Lawrence Krauss
Edit: Apocalypse*
@EliRodriguez11 Sounds interesting. I'm terrible with names, so odds are I've heard it in passing before and just forgot, but I'll keep more of an eye out for the name from now on.
I'd put myself somewhere in a category like that. I think what makes this a difficult thing to really dial in on is being an existentialist is not easy. It's not like in some Camus book where the guy just is an existentialist with out really being aware of the concept. Some times I do have emotions that well up, you know? It's how you deal with them I suppose. Does it mean anything that i became happy, or sad, or jelouse? Not partoculalrly. I don't bottle emotions, they just evaporate when i let them be. Someone once described me as an 80/20 apathetic, and I think realistically that's as close as a sound of mind individual will get. For the most part, I remain unaffected.
As for the deterministic aspect, the key there is that nothing really changes. Not believing in liberatarian free will doesn't just turn you into something floating in the ocean with 0 power to affect your heading, it's more an understanding that there is no source of choice separate from the chemical mechanisms of the brain. It's a scary concept, but has reletively little impact on your day to day life. You will still decide to do plenty of things, the concept of will power still yields results. I just happen to believe that the feeling of that coming from a separate self is likely inaccurate.
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