A social history question ...
I saw an article in SR or one of the others that showed the area around China was populated by a group of hominids who left the african plains before the neandertals and homo sapiens who populated europe and the near east.
For years I have been trying to figure out how went where and did what starting with our very beginnings in the African bush. We see what we thought was a first group of neadertals and hominids migrating from northern africa into europe then a second group after the mini ice-age who went across europe as well as across northern africa and up into the fertile crescent. We suppose that those northerners were hunter-gatherers who bunked with the surviving neandertals and a few denisovans and slowly crept across europe and finally crossed the hindu kush to meet farmers from the fertile crescent in the indus valley.
I know this is rather abbreviated but I am trying to see the cultural influence on the religions involved. It's relatively easy to see the vedas developing from belief rituals ranging from the British Isles to the Scandinavian country through Europe and into SE Asia over the Kush. You see a little Confucianism and some Lao Tzu influences but generally China is isolated and the reason for that has always bewildered me.
Now with China being populated by another group of homo erectii we can see why. maybe. Their social evolution was essentially isolated by the vast expanse of mongolia and the himalayas. That also explains many of the physical differences we see in the eastern asian populace compared to europeans and middle easterners.
It also supports views that the monotheistic beliefs of the second groups have similar origins and are distinct from those the evolved in China.
Please offer up any thoughts on the path these thoughts are taking me. Be as brutal as you want. I appreciate any input.
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Here is the thing you need to conside; is that in order to have reached China this group had to have lived at some point along the entire length of the journey since long distance travel over water did not appear to exist before 60,000 years ago.
HeathenFarmer
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Dec 29, 2018
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Seems that the Denisovans had no trouble getting members of their population north (and maybe east) into Siberia and west to Spain. I would guess that they probably took up some space (at times) in the mid-lands also. Then again - that significant DNA ended up in indonesia, Philippines, Melanesia, etc. (and into Polynesia) seems to indicate that they were quite a mobile people. Seems like China wasn't a significant barrier to their distribution. On the other hand - how does one explain the similarities of language relationship in Finland and Korea? (I realize that I'm mentioning very broad periods of time in the above.)
mkeaman
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Dec 29, 2018
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no those are excellent points. maybe coastal routes? there seems to be a different dynamic at issue when we talk about denisovans. maybe some day we will figure out they were much different than ourselves and their DNA seemed to follow a whole different narrative than our own. I am starting to believe all the giant stories.
As I undetstand it. When hominds (pre-Neanderthal. and pre-Homo sapien), crossed onto the Middle East and up through Turkey. Around the Kiev area. their course diverged in three directions. One to the SE towards India and eastern China. A second to the NE and central and Northern China, and a third over the Urals into Europe. I think that is the most recent thinking. I may be off a little, I haven't taught this subject in a couple of years.
At one time there were three separate species of hominids existing on the Eurasian continent. They were not directly related. Two species went extinct and Homo sapien sapien persevered.
t1nick
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Dec 28, 2018
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does this theory take into account the discovery of hominids in china in the 2.1-2.7 million years ago period?
@kauva. Yes, I think so. They all didn't cross at once. It was in waves and the exact date is unknown but maybe clarified and refined as more finds are brought to light.
I have a great interest in this topic too. I think it's safe to assume we started off in Africa but I don't agree anymore that we moved from Africa and then became farmers and cultured people in the Middle East. I think the route took hundreds of thousands of years, people moved north as far as the ice caps and then when the Ice Age ended, millions died in the resulting floods and the survivors built up their civilisations again much further south.
Recently I've been watching Maria Kvilhaug's (Lady of the Labrynth) YouTube videos on the time when the different hominids and the Neanderthals co-existed and interbred.
brentan
Level 8
Dec 28, 2018
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I will certainly be watching those! thank you!!
Very interesting! I had not thought about monotheism developing that early... I'll be following your post to learn more!
Carin
Level 8
Dec 28, 2018
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The ancient Sumerians had Gilgamesh and there is a slew of sungod worshippers going wayback.
I believe some were monotheistic.
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