If it weren’t for the NRA we would have lost our 2nd amendment rights long ago. Hell we already have 4 judges on the US Supreme Court who do not believe the 2nd amendment gives ordinary citizens the right to own firearms.

@Trajan61 All the 2nd amendment says is if you are part of a state militia you have the right to bear arms. That's all, it doesn't say one way or the other about the rest of us, just if you are in a state militia you have the right to own a weapon.

@diabhal Why would you put people with no ethics on a jury to decide the fate of a criminals unethical behavior? The idea was that you appoint the right person for the job, you ask people who are knowledgeable on the subject who will make educated decisions.

Also Gun control in Australia is so overboard that we have good senators trying to make it easier for law abiding citizens to take up shooting as a hobby. The government unjustly took thousands of guns off people by telling them that they would be arrested if they didn't hand them in. Family heirlooms, gifts, beautiful and artistic pistols and rifles smashed and cut as if they were scraps of metal. That is unethical and wrong, the government should have thought more about how they implemented their policies, because turning law abiding citizens into criminals just because they want to shoot is the wrong thing to do.

Also gun crime isn't really down in AUS. We just hide it better.

@diabhal

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It was hard to find them since they mainly reside in newspapers. None of these got onto the national television channels.

Liberal media has an agenda to disarm the public, fair enough. But please just realize that the liberal side of the debate doesn't want any opposition from the people. They can't engage in corruption safely unless the public is disarmed.

@diabhal
I think you're forgetting the fact that this information has been DELETED from online search engines.

So BLATANT and OBVIOUS corruption of information is the real issue here. INTENTIONAL filtering of information!!!

What is it with you people? Have you forgotten how to think for yourselves and not trust others?

I am trying to tell you, the information that was available 5-10 years ago has been REMOVED intentionally by liberal search engines like google.

@Trajan61

You are one of the few sensible ones in this group. The people here never consider the fact that the chances of being shot by a mass shooter here in the US are very very small and that less than 1% of crimes are committed by semi auto rifles. Also we have to remember that in the UK and Australia you don’t have a right to defend yourself against a criminal who breaks into your house with a gun and therefore are more likely to be a victim whereas here in the US you do have that right. Also here in the US most states allow concealed carry of a loaded weapon for self defense so you have a lot more rights when it comes to self defense.

@Trajan61

Thank you. It's unfortunate that something as simple as self defense is being legislated into non-existence. I would hope that one day, people of reason will be elected into the Australian government to do a complete overhaul of the stupid laws and regulations just like Trump is trying to do in the US.

@diabhal
Information, those who control information distribution control the minds of all people.
Australia doesn't have the same population as the US, we are more likely to be victims of crime than the good Samaritans who stop crimes. We are getting larger amounts of gang violence in Melbourne and Sydney. The Australians aren't that violent, we just do drugs and chill. But the people who go out and steal, rape, engage in home invasions, bash people in the street, etc. They are the gangs. Most notably the APEX gang formed from African migrant youths. Their parents are working hard to provide a future for them and all they can do is commit crimes in the streets for fun. The more of them we accept without proper integration, the worse the problem will become.

Because Africa isn't Australia and I don't want their problems to become our problems.
My nation an the US are the 2 last large nations on earth which have a chance at a free society but the difference is we are both losing the fight. America has a good chance at recovery, but Australia's future is uncertain.

@Trajan61

Diabhal is a radical leftist. Just ignore the smuck.

@Trajan61

I know. He sent me a few abnormal nonsensical comments in one of my other posts and I am beginning to seriously question his mental state.

Like, the comments just had nothing to do with what we were discussing. Like if I asked "what are you doing tomorrow?" he'd say "tumbleweed"

I've only known 1 person who would do things like that and he was on psychological medication at the age of 12.