Agnostic.com

13 3

We’re lucky in the UK that we don’t experience the aggressive Christian bullying that seems to be becoming more prevalent in the current US political environment. For those of you in the US who have seen and felt things change over the last 10or 20 years, what are the warning signs that we should be looking out for to make sure we don’t head the same way? Or do you think we are immune in the UK because our prevalent flavour of Christianity (Church of England) is sedentary by nature?

PhilB 4 July 8
Share

Enjoy being online again!

Welcome to the community of good people who base their values on evidence and appreciate civil discourse - the social network you will enjoy.

Create your free account

13 comments

Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.

0

We're too savvy to fall for this snake oil (again!). The US strikes me as being at the level of development that Britain reached in Victorian times: a great industrial and imperial power with jingoism and flag-worshipping nationalism combined with paternalism and religiosity in a sanctimonious and self-aggrandising way. It seems to be a stage in the development of the imperial nation-state and the US will come out the other side of it just as we did.

0

From my personal experience there is very little Christian bullying in the US. I honestly don’t get why people say that. If anything things have gotten way better for atheists in the last 10-20 years.

0

Yeah, but we don't have the islamers doing here as much as there.

0

US evangelical groups were sending creationist teching materials to schools a year or two ago.

As an ex-pat, I'm always surprised when I visit each year to see just how much Britain has become Americanized - and that includes the covert involvement of Breitbart in swaying the Brexit vote.

As others have commented here, don't think yourselves immune, and don't think that things can very quickly change (Brexit being a telling example).

0

Despite what is going on in the administration and the news, I would say it has steadily declined over the years. I was born and raised in the south (aka bible belt) and growing up, I was one of very few non-believers. And if you were, you didn’t speak about it in the open for fear being shamed and/or ostracized by pretty much everyone, including family. Nowadays, you still deal with the religious fervor of those strong believers and the majority are christians, but I, seemingly, bump into way more people that aren’t believers and are willing to openly discuss it.

Overall, I think it has gotten better. Still got a ways to go though. More people are willing to speak out about their views and it seems like this trend has only risen. The news makes kinda seem more than it is. Not to say that in some ways it isn’t, but I truly think that we are on the rise.

That's really good to hear.

2

I think that the most dangerous threat to liberal democracy in all of it's forms is permitting the existing of selective schools, especially faith schools. We have a C of E school in my village and they don't have to toe the line like the state schools. Being a C of E school, the difference in teaching and curriculum from state schools is minimal. But the potential is there to introduce doctrine which is not friendly to democracy.

1

Tell us about Brexit!

1

I can’t see it happening in England because society there is becoming more secular not more religious. The same goes for Scotland. To say we don’t have it in the UK is not true however as in Northern Ireland we have the same problem as America. The DUP are all extreme protestants with the same views as the evangelical right in US. They are preventing same sex marriage and abortion becoming legal and effectively making us second class British citizens.

0

Your key word is “seems”. If you go by the media you would think that US churches are perpetually bullying the populace and that things here are dire and out of control and that theocracy is on the way. The media loves to whip up a frenzy, but it’s mostly just fluff IMO. There are a handful of church zealots who make a lot of noise but have little power.

The media is screaming and crying bloody murder over the election of old DT. They are spreading the message that his supporters are ignorant, impoverished, racist, uneducated, bigoted, drug using, baseball cap wearing “evangicals”, whatever the heck those are. Meanwhile Trump is a sort of secular guy while Clinton claims to be a Methodist. I doubt if many people voted based on their religion.

Little power? The evangelicals in such organizations such as the Christian Coalition run by Ralph Reed began in the 1980's by taking over school boards. Then it infested local county & state government. Now they have their federal judges appointed by this criminal in the White House. The Donald was pro choice until his current wife Slovinian Catholic Melania had him flip & the evangelicals won with him, Pence, & Sessions. Do not under estimate the power of fanatics. Win no matter who signs the bill into law. The courts are in their laps for the next 50 years.

@Countrywoman I just read the Wikipedia article on the Christian Coalition and I learn that they amount to little or nothing. They have only one lobbyist, and are essentially bankrupt. The sky is not falling.

Lots of unjustified associations are being made. Pollsters might ask people across the country about their religion. In mostly rural regions people will generally name some Protestant Church which has been given the label “evangelical” by somebody. They might never go to church or seldom think about churches but they name the church they grew up with. Rural regions tend to be conservative. There are various reasons for that, but they are not conservative because of their religion. Religion is just part of the overall conservative landscape.

Big city media folks are whipping up a frenzy over nothing. Don’t you remember that Obama ran AGAINST. gay marriage the first time? That liberal California outlawed gay marriage? This crusade against “evangelicals” is going too far IMO.

1

I think things can change pretty quickly, look at us from the perspective of brexit.

1

You probably do not face the threat that we do, because evangelical protestantism is not strong in the UK. The evangelicals are the source of the problem.

Also Greed plays a part with politicians and religions.

1

That's a very important question.

I think religion is capitalism's sibling. It's a powerful tool used by the ruling class to prevent unrest. Where there's poverty and inequality there's faith.

It does sound a bit of a nightmare in the US and it feels like religion is being used to enable fascism.

I would like to know what the early warning signs for the UK are too. If the Conservatives got in again I can envisage compulsory religious education being widened. More religious programmes on TV. Laws being changed which allow faiths to advertise etc...

I wonder if more egalitarian countries have less faith.

3

I don't think anyone is immune. In my experience, we've seen a lot more radicalization and "shock" Christianity in the last 20 years here. Especially from the smaller, "independent, non-denominational" churches.

Some of the worst I've seen have been non-denomination Church of Christ sects--one I dated a girl from one time. The girl was an instrumental music education major in college, and her church didn't allow women teachers, instrumental music, or pants. I didn't understand it at all...

Write Comment
You can include a link to this post in your posts and comments by including the text q:125539
Agnostic does not evaluate or guarantee the accuracy of any content. Read full disclaimer.