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When you live in the Bible belt, the pressure to conform is everywhere. There are many restaurants here that either print Bible verses on their packaging, or do things like this. I guess I have to just ignore it if I want to enjoy their food.

exilesky 7 July 22
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I wish we could have an Athiest belt surrounding the bible belt..and post Athiest border guards that could confiscate their bibles..and fine anyone even attempting to convert or preach. ?

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Just ignore it but make sure you pop into your nearest church and get a program so you can get the discount.

Ha, yes that was my thought too.......

...how bout driving toward the nearest larger town and eating there..?

Its asking for trouble to "pop into" any church around here - they instantly swarm all over you to make you feel "welcome" and then do everything possible never to let you go. I attended a church a couple times and some members started "popping into" my house unannounced with church literature - the 2nd time they did it I never went back. I have a friend who joined a church to get financial help for a dying relative - she told me the ENTIRE CONGREGATION showed up at her house unannounced and just barged in! No more invasion of zombies trying to suck me into the Borg, thanks!

@exilesky I am truly happy not to be living in the US then. Here in Australia it is unheard of to do such a thing, even for deeply religious people. They do "welcome" you when you attend church but coming to your house unannounced that is a no no.

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The bulletin thing is not new at all, unfortunately. Very common in Alabama, for example. It IS a big deal, though, because it is not simply giving xtains a break, it is shoving the financial burden onto the rest of us to supplement that break. I would eat elsewhere--just like I will never give Chik fil-a (or however they mispell it) my business. Damn the food. Maybe even leave comment cards thanking the establishment you eat at instead for NOT using the bulletin tactic and let them know that is part of why they get your business.

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Does the First Church of Satan make Sunday bulletins? That could be fun, just for the reaction.

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Grab a program from a random house of worship, and get your 10% off. Next time, bring one from a different place. Repeat. Find the most obscure ones you can. See if they ever notice. Is there a Church of Satan in the area?

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Yes, it is annoying as hell but you gotta learn to pick your fights and let go things out of your control......life is too short as it is

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It's no different than talking to people who think that everyone believes in god. Their naivete is amusing. Your belief doesn't precede you so grab some programs and enjoy the food!

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I simply will not do business with any outfit that overtly promotes a religion.

Could miss out on some retry wonderful Eastern food. A lot of Buddhist restaurants are pretty to notch. Well in London anyway!

@Geoffrey51
Good point. In fact I do go to Asian restaurants and the often display artwork depicting Confucius or the Buddha. However, I do not consider them tp be religious figures. For me they symbolize secular philosophical traditions. Both were mostly concerned with practical issues, not supernatural ones. In this I am focusing on what the men themselves said more than what some of their followers have said and done in the intervening millennia.

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That's just awful. We think we have things in common with the US, but this is horrific - and you would never see it in the UK.

I miss my UK buddy who’d moved to Oregon.. I was one of few he could vent his disgust over ‘American ways’ to … and I loved it! Other than a long lasting marriage producing a talented son, I’d often wonder how he stood it ‘over here’ 😕

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Yea, it does suck, but just the fact that there are people that just can’t be made to believe (especially when surrounded by such a saturation of religiosity) gives me hope. And yes, things seem to be getting a little thick religiously lately, but I thinks it’s because they are starting to realize that alot of people aren’t buying into their bs anymore and so they feel like they have to double their efforts in an attempt to push back.

People are far more vocal about their lack of belief than they used to be and I certainly know of far more non-believers than I ever did growing up. In a way, it[amped up religiosity] could be a good sign for the secular and non-religious communities that the religious are starting to sweat a bit. Let’s just hope they don’t get too amped and start lashing out.

The general trend over the last few hundred hears has been away from religious belief. So there is reason to be optimistic about the long-term outlook. ?

@Flyingsaucesir Heretics unite! LOL!!!

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It's not just in the Bible belt though . Forever 21 is known to put "John 3:16" on each of their shopping bags . < [dailymail.co.uk] , [jezebel.com] >

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I saw something similar to that once.....but, I told them I spilt coffee on my program and they gave me the discount anyhow. LOL

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I really can't imagine what it must be like to live there. I am from UK and now Austrslia where your religion is no big deal most of the time. It's certainly never full on like that. I did spend s little time in N Carolina which was a bit touch snd go for me and nearly got into trouble a couple of times, but living in the midst of it all must be really challenging. My prayers go with you??

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I wouldn't be able to "enjoy their food" if I knew they did things like this.
My principles wouldn't allow it.

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Girl...you need to save yourself and get the hell out of there!

Xena Level 6 July 22, 2018
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ah well just take a few progs and claim your discount if the foods that good

weeman Level 7 July 22, 2018
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I really don't see the problem, people like their tribes. That's just normal for all humans. The lady at the gas station gives me free coffee at least 1x a week, it's no biggie.

Maybe I've just gotten used to the idiocy bc I've always lived in conservative, religious states. It annoyed me when all my LDS neighbors helped each other while ignoring the rest of us, that's cool we've formed our own little clique. About every month I get auto parts for the tattooed mechanic who works out of his garage, he tested my alternator for free....no biggie but he wouldn't do that for any LDS....

It becomes problematic when they push religion into laws w zero merit, I'm still pissed Utah has abstinence only education...but hey Unitarian Universalists here are seeing a spike in our sex ed.

I can't believe you think it's "no biggie". Maybe it's because you've never known anything else, like you say. I don't feel the need for a tribe, especially such a disgusting one as any relgion.

Tribes. That's a good way to put it. Seems that many people have a need of tribes.

It reads like discrimination, to me.

@GoldenDoll maybe "no biggie" isn't the best phrase, it's natural and I choose not to allow my mind to be negative about something I can't impact.

It annoyed me a ton when LDS help each other clear snow with their fancy snowblowers, but skipped non LDS houses as we slogged through with shovels. Hey I got some extra exercise and found out which neighbors aren't LDS as we helped each other.

Ok, non LDS helped each other. I get free mechanic advice from a neighbor, he tested my alternator gratis. I went to 2 fundraiser at a diner owned by gay people for a gay couple with medical bills, now I get a 10% discount on most meals there. I haven't done any analysis if my $20 donations have evened out with discounts but I also gained a few great acquaintances and have random fun chats with cool people I met at the fundraiser. Hey I'm known as a gay friendly guy and I bet some LDS think I'm gay so give me a little more distance. This is a win-win!

Religion disgusts me when it interferes with my life or other peoples' lives directly, but saving two dollars on a meal, meh I can go to my gay friends diner or last night I went to a free wine tasting put on by a UU friend. Six hours of kick ass conversation, $50 of free wine and gourmet snacks that no religious person would EVER get invited to!

TBH religious disgusts me most when I meet cool people trapped by the insanity of their upbringing and I'm crazy thankful (to Athena) I escaped the idiocy. I'm free and I'll take that over saving $1000 and having to hob-know with delusional peeps.

@Varn by the dictionary definition, sure it's discrimination, just like my mechanic neighbor discriminated in my favor and I saved $80 getting my alternator tested, he despises religion and won't even work on some peoples' cars.

I guess he stays busy enough by refusing money based on religion.

It's not discrimination in any legal sense, just a private business that's likely done an ROI and figured out they'll make more money offering a discount and they profit by volume. Businesses do that all the time for groups of people. Denny's offers a 20% discount to all senior citizens, 10% to all military and vets...

Personally I'll save my emotional upheaval for crazy shit like abstinence only education...lol and UU's OWL is seeing a small surge in Utah after the state idiotically mandated abstinence only. They're literally pushing some people into my atheist church. Unintended consequences are a bitch 🙂

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I see that here in Indiana, mostly in the small town I live in. Any locally owned business has Bible verses put up; some of them have like one other have it all over their business.

Living in Indiana, you might enjoy this blog. She lives there and talks a lot about happenings in Indiana.
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Incidentally , The Guardian just did a piece on this subject . [theguardian.com]

Interesting article. Yes, one could argue that any business is "discriminatory" when they offer discounts for some and not others (i.e. "Veterans Eat Free with proper ID" ). However, when you are in an environment that is very "pro" whatever they are promoting, be it religion, "patriotism", etc. the only backlash will be towards anyone complaining about it.

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I to live in the Bible Belt and it is awful! I'm glad that I'm not so anti-theist that I could deal with it.

I just ask the server if they have to bribe customers because the food is so bad and if I should go someplace else.

I'm outspokenly anti-religion with everyone and everywhere.

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I would ask to have packaging with out a forced religious belief on it. But I am about to have a stroke as I can not stop be an activist against & disruptor of forced religious beliefs.

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Perhaps we should have let the Confederacy secede....I have often thought.

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Honestly, I wouldn’t be back.. Problem is, they’d never know why…

Varn Level 8 July 22, 2018

If I knew I wouldn't be going back, I'd make sure they knew why.

@KKGator I’m not totally new to small town politics … but alone in an alien world, I’m less militant locally..

@Varn I understand that I'm definitely in the minority here. I appreciate that not everyone is going to have the same attitude toward this stuff that I do. I honestly don't care about pissing these people off. I feel like they need to know that they're being assholes. It's understandable that others have their reasons for being quiet about it.

@KKGator I often speak up, and the places I frequent have no doubt noticed my always-marked Atheist Money bills. But I’m now in what some call ‘the south,’ and plan to stay here. My political lawn signs, walking in the gay pride parade and money marking often seem enough.

Actually, I’d likely ask the closest to management about the ‘religious deal,’ hand them the menu and leave.. They’d figure it out 😉

@Varn Everyone does what they feel comfortable with. I wasn't judging you, Varn.

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