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I just had a mind blowing conversation with my fundamental christian mother. We discussed the bible, evolution, the universe, and other light subjects.

She tearfully admitted that she does not believe the bible to be infallible. She said that it was obviously, "too full of man".

She politely asked me to stop because I was, "crumbling the last foundations of her faith".

I informed her that I wasn't attempting to do that, but that I was glad she was willing to talk about it with me.

I never thought this day would come.

She told me that she thought I was very intelligent and thoughtful and that she admired me.

Up until today, I was only described as wayward and sinful.

Oh, happy day!

Donotbelieve 9 Sep 13
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That's wonderful that your mother complimented you; it doesn't matter ones age, good words from our mothers is heart-warming!

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Wow I’m so torn about this...partly because I envy your situation and partly because I feel so bad for your mother, it is so much more difficult to deconstruct later in life. Backfire effect,

@Donotbelieve well, don’t lose hope...a seed doesn’t grow over night. It has to watered with doubt and “critical thinking” ?

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Congrats for escaping hell..

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We should always remember that kindness that we show to others , speaks volumes. I'm glad that you can sit down with her and openly talk about that with her. We sometimes forget how hard it is to let go of years of indoctrination.

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I think it's awesome that your mother is coming around and acknowledging your thoughtfulness and intelligence.

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This brings tears to my eyes, in part because my own mother, who used to be a big part of my life, voted for Trump and I excised her forthwith. You've a powerful, no-nonsense style that I can only hope to achieve some day. Thank you for sharing this.

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Well done the both of you's!

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My mother used to be fairly religious but after I came out to her several years ago as an athiest and explained to her why I felt like I did, she had eventually come to a similar conclusion. She is maybe more agnostic at this point but I am glad I could get her to open her world view and make her think for herself. Hopefully you and your mother can find a way to make this bring you two closer together. It did for me.

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"We must carry the Torch of Reason over the murky waters of Faith and Superstition, to a new beginning and a peaceful world."- Author Unknown

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WOW! Good for her and good for you! (You're lucky and I'll bet hundreds would envy you that discussion!) I hope it continues and you can have many more of them!

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Good news! It seems she is overcoming her fear to see the light.

@Donotbelieve I'm wondering if she'd be open to reading about the Humanists and their thoughts about living a good life without gods?

@Donotbelieve Well...they have lots of publications...intelligent, logical and loving.

@Donotbelieve My favorite is, now that I actually know the bible, I can come back with any accusation of evil with, Have you read in the bible.....? What is more evil than what god/the ancients condoned in the bible?

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Wow!!! Glad to hear you were able to have this conversation with your mom. Sounds like a real breakthrough.

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The labels are what keep is fragmented! Whatever you got from. It cheers.

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That’s brilliant that she is being open and respectful.

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Hallefuckinlujah!!! Mixed emotion here. Along with the positive ones, also a tinge of frustration and exasperation about her still having faith and not wanting hear any more. In your opinion what were the main points which led to her realization?

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Gratz! How's she feeling now? Obviously I don't know your relationship but if I was in your shoes I think I'd do something light-hearted with her to try and make her feel better. It's got to be rough going through that.

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My mother has been hinting a similar sentiment these past 5 years. Like you did, just using unwavering logical rebuttals. It takes time to sink in when one is challenged about their faith.

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So nice to hear that you got through to your Mom. That is a hard thing to do. And hard for her to change, too, as it blows up her whole way of living. Be kind to her as she is struggling - show her the positives of non-belief so she doesn't feel that she is losing her religion and gaining nothing. Show her the wonders of the world are still here, even if one doesn't have a god to thank for them. Congrats, and I hope you two have a great future together. I think my Mom (due to my Dad, not me) has really come around on the religion thing, too (although always much more a go-at-christmas-only person) - once she turned 78 or so. She'll be 84 in a few weeks and I've had to slow her roll on spewing anti-religion with my kid around - I don't want my kid to hate people who are religious, just hate the religion! Cool it with the viterol in front of the kid, Mom! Anyway, my Dad has read Skeptical Enquirer for years and Mom has now been reading it, too, and she is so fed up with church getting mucked in with state - and the hypocrites - that she has washed her hands of the whole thing. It has made her a much more politically active Democrat, too. Go Moms!!!

Holli Level 6 Sep 14, 2018
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A positive and wonderful step in the relationship between mother and daughter. So happy for you both!

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Getting a fundy away from biblical literalism, is the first and biggest hurdle, once they stop judging every one by that foul book they quite often will settle in to using their own moral judgement, they may still call it god but it will be a lot kinder and more loving than the god of the babble ever was.
Congratulations you taught her to think for herself, that in itself has made the world a better place. 🙂

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Last I read from you, you sounded like a ball of stress. It's good that you had this moment of connection!

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Happy for, and proud of you, all at once.

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Wow! It sounds like she might be ready for a new start without religion. I cried when i realized there was no god, but eventually there is acceptance and love and life goes on... and I'm happier than I ever was as a christian ?

I don't mean to minimize her feelings or yours. I hope i didn't sound insensitive.

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Thanks for sharing this. It is a bright and happy spot in a dark and unhappy world when things can start to heal between a mother and daughter. I am truly happy for you.

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Oh my, that IS a breakthrough! Good on you and your mom, you both keep this up. ?

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