They meet with a hard sell that they have the only way to morallity every week, because that is what makes power and money for the people who control the churches. It is like someone going into your garden, picking the apples of your trees, and then ringing your doorbell to sell you some fruit.

I would replace "understand" with fear.

@HankSherman people have long feared what they can't comprehend. It's why they created gods in the first place. It gave them some sort of comfort although i really don't understand that anymore than they can umderstand my belief

@maxhyde I keep in mind that religion is all about organized manipulation and control.

@Byrdsfan True. Their behavior does nothing but reinforce her secular upbringing. My daughter has also seen a Westboro protest in person. Kansas.

@Byrdsfan she was not pleased at all.

@Antifred Did not this mythological Jesus also claim, " I am the Light and the Life, no-one comes to my Father except through me."
I'd be interested in seeing your response to that one.

@Antifred Well, scientifically speaking, LIGHT is just Photons travelling from a source to a point where it impacts an object to either be reflected or absorbed.
Considering the LIGHT encompasses ALL the colours of the visible and invisible 'light' spectrum, i.e. Infrared right through to Ultraviolet and it can be fully absorbed by an object thus giving the visual impression of that object have a ' black/dark' hue or partially absorbed thus giving the impression of being one of the other colours/combination of colours, then we see the written word simply because light striking it has either been absorbed fully by the ink used, i.e. black ink = no reflected light, or from the light being reflected by the paper, i.e. white paper reflecting the entire spectrum, the retina of our eyes then detects the light via the layer of rods and cones contained within it, thus creating minute electrical signals that travel along the Optic Nerves to the area of the brain that can decode them and tell us what we are seeing and learning It is a simple explanation that I am putting across here I know, but being unsure of your Anatomical Knowledge and Understanding I thought best that I should adopt the K.I.S.S. principle anyway.
As a further note here, I should mention that LIGHT is known, scientifically, to be a part of the much wider Electromagnetic Spectrum contain such as Long Wave, Medium Wave, Short Wave, Micro-wave, etc, radio signals, Low Frequency High frequency, Very High Frequency, Ultrahigh Frequency signals, etc.
Also, radio signals ( waves) are measured in TWO ways, i.e. by Frequency = simply put, by the number of waves to pass a given point in a given amount of time, 1 wave in 1 second to pass the given point = 1 cycle or 1 Hertz, and,
by Wave length = the distance between the crest ( amplitude) of each wave to pass the same given point in the same given amount of time, ergo we get Low Waves, Medium Waves, etc, etc.
Similar is used to describe the action and travel of Sound Waves which are merely pulsations ( waves) of compressed and expanded peaks and troughs of air caused by the vibrations of an object such as the human larynx for example.

@Antifred Firstly, WHY must anything, including the ' birth' of the Universe need to involve a God Concept of any kind?
Secondly, since my mind and thought processes have never been saturated by religion/religious doctrines in any shape nor form, Science and Theology, or Theosophy as I prefer to call any religion since actually achieving my Doctorate in Theology and Comparative Modern Religions, have been at odds since the Sciences were recognized as being something more than Hocus-Pocus and the realms of Alchemy, etc., have they not to some extent, especially on the subject of which are speaking.
As for Science ' hi-jacking' from religion, I ask you this, Why would something based upon research, rationality, knowledge, proof positive need to bother with 'hi-jacking' from something that requires, little more than faith and trust in a mere book that can offer up NO evidential Proof Positive in its own veracity and existence?
One could easily say that ANY book of fiction, i.e. Harry Potter for example, is on exactly the same level as the bible, simply because the analogies are the same.
Basic forms of the Sciences were being studied long, long before the original form of the Judeo-Christian Theosophy of Monotheism was ever invented/created in the minds of the Hebrews, in fact the FIRST idea of there being a FORMAL SINGLE God Entity was conceived in Ancient Egypt by King Akhenaton ( Amenhotep IV) which resulted in the Armana ( Akhetaton) ' experiment' coming into being.

@Antifred I have NO concept of there being or ever having been a God/s Goddesses other than those invented in the minds of humans themselves to give them a modicum of control over those of feebler minds who will listen to them.

@Antifred A) it has been proven Archaeologically and Historically that the biblical Exodus from Slavery in Egypt NEVER happened,
b) there were NO Israeli peoples until 1948 when the lands belonging to Palestine were STOLEN from them and given to the Jews.
c) the name 'Israel/Israeli' is derived from both the Ancient Egyptian and Assyrian languages word "Ishraeli/ Ishimraeli"meaning " those who are not to be trusted," "those who are reviled by all who meet them," "those who war amongst themselves and ALL others," and also as the" Hebruum" meaning "the filth from the lands of snakes and scorpions."
The only historical mention made of anyone with a name closely resembling ' Moses' was a Hebruum Mercenary Leader called Moseh who led a band of Mercenaries employed to guard the Border region of Goshen, Egypt, against Raiders of Trade Caravans, his 600 men, women and their children were EXPELLED from Goshen by the King of Egypt, Tutankhamun, for crimes such as Extortion, Slave Trading and wanton disregard for duties for which they were employed.
Yes, I do have quite some knowledge of the Histories of Ancient Egypt and the lands, peoples and cultures around the Mediterranean, I also can read, write and transcribe Latin, Ancient Greek, Aramaic, Hieroglyphs, Cuneiform, etc. quite well.

@Antifred Religion is nothing more than a Philosophy, a Theosophy to put it succinctly.
But it has become a 'pseudo-science' of a type since it is the SCIENCE of 'How best to Convince People to do as you say and believe every word you utter.'
I.e. the Science of being the best Scam Artist you can possibly be.

@Antifred Not according to ACTUAL Historical Records it didn't, maybe according to Biblical records, which as with the bible are very doubtable to say the least, it may have been BUT in Historical Records there were many distinct 'Nations' i.e. Canaan being one of them, later there were Judaea and Galilee, with both being later under the Roman Empire and Galilee also being under the rule of Puppet Kings of Herod Antipas and Herod the Great.
Please try reading ACTUAL History rather than the doubtable Biblical History for a change.

@Antifred Biblical Prophesies are just the same as the prophesies made by Astrologers, i.e. virtually meaningless except to those who are gullible enough to want to believe them.
The Semitic peoples have been at each others throats for centuries, if not Millenia, Arab tribes versus Arab tribes is really nothing new and the Hebrews( modernly called Jews) are nothing more than Semites themselves since, IF you were to research the definition of the word ' Semite' you'd already know that.

@Antifred the combination of Biblical and Archaeology are just another account of the irrational usage of Oxymorons since anyone with a Biblical bent can simply dig up a stone, bit of wood, etc, anywhere and without scientific testing or substantiating evidence claim, falsely I might add, it to be PROOF that Israel, the Bible, etc, etc, ad nauseum, are historically and factually correct 100%.
That is precisely why anyone with a wee bit of intelligence and knowledge starts to doubt ANY claims put forward by these 'revered' Jewish Archaeological Scholars, for example, How many of them have ' claimed' that that natural outcrop in Turkey is the remains of Noah's mythological Ark?
It has proven numerous times over by Tried and Trusted Scientific methods that it is NOT what these Biblical Scholars have repeatedly claimed it to be, just as has the Shroud of Turin, etc, etc.

@Antifred Yes, as a Doctor of Theology and Comparative modern Religions I am full cognizant of the Bible, perhaps even more so than you may be since I have read it line by line, verse by verse, page by page, chapter by chapter, book by book thoroughly innumerable times and have still remained the atheist I was when I first commenced my studies for my Doctorate.
You see Sir, the difference between an Atheist and a Theist/Religious believer is that the Atheist ACTUALLY has read the bible in its entirety whereas the Theist/Believer is very prone to ' cherry-pick' his/her way through it.
As the saying goes, " The roadside to Atheism and Reason is very heavily littered with the well worn and well thumbed through copies of the Bible."

@Antifred There is Abragam in the bible by the way, you'll find it is spelt Abraham in English and Abram in Aramaic ( the original language used in that region at that time in question.

@Antifred Precisely, ergo the Jews( Hebrews ARE Semites just as their brother Arabs are as well.
Hence there is NO genetic difference between them what-so-ever, just and on-going Tribal hatred.

Now please do yourself a favour, take a chill pill and go back to reading your bible, BUT, this time ACTUALLY read it rather than merely ' cherry-picking your way through it.

@Antifred Shit a brick, Antifred, (Oh, btw, 'shit a brick' is an Aussie saying similar in meaning to W.T.F., etc,), if there was an Olympic event for being ' Long Winded' you'd be the Undefeated Universal Champion in my opinion.
All I did was pose a simple type of question for EVERYONE to respond to/comment on and you've been playing, in my opinion, theological Ping-Pong and Verbal Merry-Go-Round almost for a week or more with it, what's up there my friend, is your life so boring and drear that you can't find other things to amuse and entertain you, isn't there a hobby you can involve yourself with?
Stone the Crows, I've been living by myself now for nearly 13 years, have hobbies, studies, read numerous books ( both fiction and non-fiction works), watch documentaries, keep my gardens going and all sorts of other things and only spend an hour two per day on this computer and on this site simply because I enjoy reading the comments, etc, posted by other members and enjoy the interaction as well.

@Antifred Not wishing in any way, shape nor form to appear derogatory/dismissive, etc, here, BUT, please Antifred, How about climbing down of off your personal Crucifix for a while and giving someone else a bit of a chance?

@Antifred Jeez Louise, Antifred, we have a saying here Australia that I reckon suits you to a "T", i.e. You are like British Paints, you just keep on keeping on.

Some less entrenched theists do actually shed their superstitious beliefs, however those who are so entrenched never will because they are probably afraid if the unknown, unknown to them that is, world of reality in which we live and I tend to think that they are envious of us because we possess the strength of mind and character to stride boldly into reality where they lack such strength.