Trump walks out of a meeting with Schumer and Pelosi because they won't give him his wall. Why pretend you're negotiating when you're just delivering an ultimatum? There must be someone who can let him know we don't have kings here!
Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!
There is NO Senate or House legislation that has been introduced for $5.7 billion funding for a border wall! (as of 1/10/19) The noise we are hearing from Trump is therefore not about a negotiation - it is about a demand from Trump; It is about threats by Trump if he doesn’t get his way; and it is about hostage-taking (with ~800,00 Federal workers not receiving a paycheck and now the very dangerous threat to impose a “National Emergency” for a threat that doesn’t exist).
Without legislation for Congress to consider and negotiate, this demand is immoral and Democrats have no responsibility to even entertain any discussion about his matter. Nancy Pelosi is therefore correct - it is immoral.
[see: [congress.gov]]
Also, during the 115th Congress, both the Senate and the House were both controlled by Republicans and they didn’t pass any legislation for a border wall.
No less than 20 bills related to a wall on the Southern border were introduced, with no movement beyond “Introduced” on 19 of them. Only H.R.6136 - Border Security and Immigration Reform Act of 2018 went through the process. It failed; and…
S.3713 was introduced on Dec 05, 2018 by Republican Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma. It was rejected by President Trump before it even moved through the Senate process.
The important point is that the Republicans did not, or could not, pass any of these Bills.
The 116th Congress: so far, only 5 bills introduced:
Two of these five bills prohibit taxpayer funding or construction. Note that these were introduced only within the last few days so they are in the “Introduced” stage.
S.53 — 116th Congress (2019-2020)
A bill to appropriate $25,000,000,000 for the construction of a border wall between the United States and Mexico, and for other purposes. Notice this bill (S.53) was actually introduced as S.3713 (see above comment) under the 115th (Republican) Congress. It was rejected by President Trump.
S.25 — 116th Congress (2019-2020)
EL CHAPO Act: Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order Act or the EL CHAPO Act
H.R.32 — 116th Congress (2019-2020)
Buy a Brick, Build the Wall Act of 2019
H.R.365 — 116th Congress (2019-2020)
To prohibit the construction of new border barriers, including walls or fences, on certain Federal land, and for other purposes.
H.R.48 — 116th Congress (2019-2020)
To prohibit taxpayer funds from being used to build a wall between Mexico and the United States, and for other purposes.
Not only should Democrats not compromise, they shouldn’t even be negotiation, on any level, until a Bill has been introduced in congress.
Negotiation is about compromise.
Both parties must understand what the goal is
Both parties must understand the parameters of what is being negotiated
In negotiations you don’t draw red lines ($5.6 billion or nothing).
You don’t make threats (shut down; “National Emergency&rdquo.
You don’t change the rules, or the goal, in the middle of the negotiation (even Republicans have
acknowledged that Trump is an inconsistent negotiating partner: “Hill Republicans have watched as
Trump demanded $20 billion for a border wall, then retreated to $5 billion in recent weeks. The
incoming Republican Leader, Kevin McCarthy of California, briefly pumped the number up to $25
million with the President’s encouragement. That measure seems to be waiting in the wings for the
new Congress next year and is not seen as a credible proposal.” [Why Negotiating a Border Wall With
Trump Is So Difficult])
You don’t misrepresent your need or product or offer by lying (Trump’s first lie was when he boxed
himself into a corner during the election by promising that Mexico would pay for the wall; There have
been so many other lies and misrepresentations that you can find them yourself with a simple Internet
search).
In this case, these government players are working on our behalf to fund something for which there isn’t a clear need. These government officials also have a responsibility to spend taxpayer money wisely.
So, there are two questions on the table: 1) should we (the United States) fund a wall? 2) If so, how much will it require?
To the first question, the answer is a simple No! Why? Because the Trump Administration has lied on virtually every point made about the need. They manipulated statistics, they dismiss other options, etc, including the cost. There is no bill in Congress. Why should anyone negotiate with a perpetual lier? End of negotiation.
As for question #2, the $25 to $70 billion referenced above is an estimate, in part because it isn’t clear exactly what Trump wants, or how many times he will change his mind. You don’t negotiate without a bill and based upon an open-ended goal. Demand that a bill be introduced.
For the reasons above, Nancy Pelosi is correct: wasting any taxpayer money for a wall that hasn’t even been defined, is immoral.
The other thing to consider is that this has gone way beyond whether a wall is a good idea (it isn't) or how much it's going to cost (way too much) or if it's even feasible (it isn't). The other thing is whether we want to allow an autocratic ruler to make decisions without any checks or balances. We don't live in a monarchy or dictatorship -- we live in a society with elected representatives and with an elected executive who can only make decisions within the scope authorized by Congress. Allowing Trump to have his way on this would be a terrible precedent and we'd be saying we're okay with an out-of-control leader who is able to do whatever he likes.
tRump being polite "said bye-bye". That's out of character and we know better.
Moron will call national emergency and hopefully Congress does something.