People and thier families should never be used as pawns. It’s not much of a pissing match. Trumpski changed his mind after the house and senate passed bills that he promised to sign before the shutdown. He knows he’s in a corner and is trying to cause chaos. It’s easy for those of us that are not one of those families to pass quick judgment. These people have years of tenure, seniority and government benefits. It’s not easy to walk into another job.

@Green_eyes, I think Trump is a major peice of shit. I think his presidency is a fucking dumpster fire. I don't think that it's fair that families should suffer. I do believe that the shutdown is just one symptom of a corrupt and broken system that needs changed.

@icolan Great point! Can't get them abolished fast enough!

Although there was no income tax or federal reserve until 1913 and no sales taxes until 1930. Lets just pretend govt can't be run voluntarily because prisoner of the moment.

@BryanLV Yes...we don't need an Army, police or fire protection. No need to tax the wealthy either. Right?

@dahermit Those things all existed before an income and sales tax. Im sure without a large centralized govt, people would just let their houses burn down, let themselves be murdered and let the country be invaded. Right! Im sure.

@icolan Right, im sure we would devolve into the stone age without all of the nonessential "jobs" govt employees hold.

There would be dogs and cats living together and mass hysteria! Hahaha ooookay!

It’s a typical republican response to think about thier bank account before the health and welfare of greater society. Although I’m like most and not horribly fond of the IRS, it is what it is. The shut down affects pilots flying thousands of people every day. The FDA has ceased routine domestic food inspections( that’s kinda important). Listeria, salmonella are not our friends. Our national parks are being defaced. These are but a few examples of the 70 agencies effected by the orange menace.
His 5 billion is a drop in the bucket for the 35-70 billion it would take to complete this project.

@Green_eyes I am not a republicrat! Thats a typical response from you, though. The fda does not work the way you pretend. Plenty of people have eaten tainted food, gotten sick and even died even with these useless behemoth bureacracies in place. The fda in particular really just blocks competition within the market and affixes large corporations at the top so the people at the top can funnel lobbiest money into thei pockets.

The two party system of govt does not work how you make believe it does. It does the same thing when the left and right are controlling it.

@BryanLV whoever thinks the government does the same thing under the left and the right has NO powers of observation.

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@BryanLV No you are not a Republican, you are an idiot. ?

@Sticks48 says the old fart living with his mother.

Get yourself out of moms basement, emoji man.

@genessa 21 trillion dollars in debt, growing govt, endless regulations, politician pay going up, endless wars, the only difference between obummer and frump are rhetoric and a wall...

What exactly are the differences again? Seriously, why make a statement like that and not provide at least one example? Are you trying to convince me, or yourself?

@BryanLV oh okay, i see you have a bit of ad hominem going. you don't know me at ALL and yet you wonder aloud if i am trying to convince you or myself. that is not a good way to disguise your ignorance. it's a good way to get blocked, not because we disagree, or even because you're so extremely ignorant, but simply because i don't tolerate that shit. bye.

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@BryanLV I take that back. You are a complete idiot. A great accomplishment. The top of your class.

@Sticks48 Nothing less than ad hominem is expected when you don't have two working brain cells to rub together.

Smart people always sound crazy to dumb mfr's.

Judged by their results, absolutely no difference at all. All these responses and noone has made an intelligible argument as to how republicrats or demopublicans are any different than one another.

Two wings attached to the same duck!

@BryanLV Only really stupid people talk about how smart they are. Smart people don't have to talk about how smart they are. It just shows. When you come up with a good replacement for "government" l might listen to your ideas. So far you just sound like an idiot.

@Sticks48 I didnt. Shows how stupid you are. I was talking about how stupid you are, but you didnt quite catch it

Did you run out of emojies?

@BryanLV You need to go back and read your own shit. You did indicate how smart you are without a shred of evidence to support such a statement. I don't have emojis on my computer. If you are disappointed, l can switch to my phone. It is loaded with emojis.

@BryanLV typical response from me? You don’t know me.. lol. Clearly you not only believe in conspiracy theories but are completely uneducated. I’d prefer a three party system but until America evolves and abolished the archaic electoral college it’ll be near impossible.

@Sticks48 I mentioned smart people. I did not say I am smart. Your feeble brain immediately inferred the smart person was me.

Reading comprehension 101. Class dismissed!

@Sticks48 When you come up with a good replacement for cancer, let us know!

Until then, noone really cares if youre listening or not. But remember, you responded to me 1st with an insult. Not the other way around.

P.s. google Ron Paul and then google The Venus Project.

Evolve

@Green_eyes So let me get this straight. I don't know you, but you can label me a republican without knowing me? You can also make assumptions about what I believe?

Then your reponse is to insult my intelligence when I clearly advanced the discussion? Can you at least try to not be a complete hypocrite here?

I an really not interested in devolving every discussion that does not fit into peoples boxed in minds into ad hominem attacks against my person.

Just trying to help. Thanks!

@Sticks48 I see you only speak ad hominem.

The universal language of the idiot imbecile.

Why even engage if your only objective is to devolve the discussion into personal attacks? Arent you a bit old for that?

Must be lonely in moms basement. Try getting out more, maybe.

@BryanLV I am too old to put up with stupid anymore. As Ron White said, "You can't fix stupid." I ask you to give me a replacement for "government" and you have nothing.

@BryanLV Do you have any idea of how government services were paid for BEFORE income taxes? Before there were Tax paid fire services, there were only unpaid volunteers who would gather ad hoc to fight the fire. Also, there were VERY FEW government services of any kind...people were on their own...would you like to go back to that?

@icolan Also the loss of revenue from alcohol left the government without a dependable source. Thusly a federal income tax had several reasons for imposition. Prohibition haunts us to this day. Perhaps the states rights movement in cannabis reform, will provide as it does in Colorado, a means to improve or educational system, that we may compete in the world. & do something about our exploding debt which will affect the global economy.

@icolan There is a paragraph in the article that clearly states back pay would be guaranteed for future shutdowns. Are you saying that is not true?

The Senate had already passed a bill before the shutdown to address this but because of the new house it had to be redone. Peoples livelihoods should never be a pawn in negotiations. The permanence will take this out of the equation.