@mzbehavin I was accused of wanting to kill some asshole's grandkids when I said he had no right to tell any women, especially my daughter what to do at anytime. Fuck his religion. He sure didn't want me telling him he couldn't own a gun because guns kill, or even as he said people kill with guns.

@mzbehavin it's like Log Cabin Repubs...smh

@mzbehavin It's easy to get people to vote against their own best interest. About 90% of the people who voted for Trump lose out long term on his tax "reforms".

After a lifetime of observing, I can only conclude that half of all people are idiots.

@Paul4747 You're an optimist!

@jerry99 Yes I am.

@mzbehavin I have been asking that question for decades, and the same with poor white people. Sometimes there is a level of stupid in this country l find hard to believe.

Some old toilet stall grafitti I read back in the '70's..If men could get pregnant, the birth control pill would be a sacrament...

In my opinion being both pro-life and pro death penalty is hypocritical. Either all life is sacred or none of it is, if it's the latter, then it all ends up being a legal and political determination that should be decided by governments, not churches.

I think we need more people dealt with through the death penalty. And quickly. If it is an open and shut case, which there are plenty of, save the American people billions of dollars in care and serve their sentence! It has to be hell for the loved one of a raped and murdered child know that the person responsible is safe and cozy in prison, alive and hale.

@Annaleda ah, but the save money part is a myth. Unless you are going to take away the set in place automatic appeals processes, which have been installed to be sure an innocent person doesn't get put to death, and even then often fail, it costs more to put someone to death.

@Beowulfsfriend
I know there are many innocent people on death row.
I want to to see open and shut obvious cases dealt with right away.
For example: Three witnesses saw a person beat and kill their SO. Arrest, go to court, execute.
Another example: A child comes forward about sexual abuse. Dna proves it, arrest, go to court, execute.

@Annaleda I agree that there are many, too many, people who don't deserve to be walking this earth. I understand emotional needs for revenge, resolve, and moving on. We all know the system isn't fair and any death penalty will be, and has been, abused. Right now, we have a number of mandatory checks in most states and they still don't work. Using those checks costs a lot more than just having one trial and giving life imprisonment. In Pennsylvania, imposing the death penalty can cost 1.5 to 2 million dollars, while life imprisonment maxes out at less than 400k usually. That is a big difference. All that aside though and the fact that too many innocent people have been put to death, I don't like the idea if the government taking a person's life.

@Lorajay, do you think the courts will continue in this vein now that it's weighted with Drumpf appointees?

@freeofgod I'm definitely concerned that the federal Supreme Court may start changing course. It is noted that they just ruled in favor of choice a day or two ago though. Realistically I don't think Republicans want to lose this emotional tool.

@lerlo I say you should. Personally, if I got pregnant by a man I was having consensual sexual intercourse with, I'd tell him if I became pregnant.

I'd want us both to have a say-so. If he wants me to keep our baby, he would have to support me: be with me for doctor visits, checkups, birth, and he would have to be part of my life in helping me raise our child.

I'd hope he would care enough about me to help raise our baby.

The dilemma women face with giving a man a choice is, will he keep his word in helping to raise his baby?

@mzbehavin not when she can do it without him?

@mzbehavin My point is this discussion is irrelevant, be pro or against do not generate any real and objective change.

The real change is when you discuss if you want a totalitarian state with technological surveillance to be able to enforce decriminalization laws or not.

If you are not willing to go to this point, then the discussion is pro or against black market of abortion, because this is the REAL result of the laws about it.

The personal opinion becomes just a political power harnessing tool pro or against. Because the law is useless for its intended purpose anyway. Instead of avoiding artificial pregnancy termination, it just creates health risks and black market as no woman will go to a police department and confess a crime that can't be verified.

I am pro equal body autonomy, but if I generate something that can become a kid I would want to give it a chance, but that is ME not the entire society, I want it to be legal and I want people to not criticize me if I want to change the mind of the woman that was impregnated by me (although i doubt she would even tell me if she has this in mind). See, even My idea and opinion is irrelevant for practical purposes.

@mzbehavin I think he likes to hear himself type.

@mzbehavin if you want a simple yes or no, I have this answer on my text too.
I am against the judgement of the society. The women will have their choice, its a fact, not an opinion.

@mzbehavin No. Pro-choice for the first 5 months. After that, when the baby could survive on its own, pro-life because if you kill a baby after it could survive on its own, that's murder.

That's what most of the American population believes:
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@mzbehavin So you believe 3rd trimester abortions should be legal? That's the view of only 13% of the US population.

@BD66 , My best friend had a late term abortion when it was found the baby had no brain stem and would never live. That was years before the high tech tests they have now.

@freeofgod I'll go back to my original answer

"Pro-choice for the first 5 months. After that, when the baby could survive on its own, pro-life."

Your best friend's baby could not survive on its own, so an abortion makes sense.