I have a question for the people that are 100% certain that no gods exist. How are you THAT certain? I’m not 100% certain of anything. There is always the possibility that evidence will come to light that supports the opposing opinion. Do I think there’s a god? No. Am I open to the possibility that I don’t know everything? Absolutely. A negative can’t really be proven. What makes you so sure that your belief is the correct one?
To me “god’ is a metaphor for that unknowable ultimate reality. Be it disguised in a human mask with a long white beard or portrayed as an ether that resides in the deep black void. Atheism itself can be divided into 50 shades of grey, and most often used simply to express opposition to organized religion.
In theory a god could shrink to the size of an atom and hide on the other side of the cosmos for billions of years just for fun. You can’t prove me wrong, and I just might be right. Are you 100 percent sure I’m wrong or 99.99999% sure. Are you holding on to that . 00001% chance that god exists? Ask yourself why.
I’m not holding on to anything other than the fact that there are a great many things that I can’t possibly know for certain.
@Leeshi I agree with that. I personally never say I’m 100% sure that no god exists. I am however pretty confident that the god of the bible is a myth. At the very least any god who endorses slavery and genocide isn’t worth worshipping.
I trained in electronics . I know about electrons , neutrons, protrons , atoms , and binary computer codes . Televisions and computers are still magic to me .
Do I think there's a god? No.
Am I open to the possibility that I don't know everything? Yes.
But it's not a question of whether or not I know everything.
It's a question of whether it is even POSSIBLE to know anything whatsoever about a supernatural being when you are part of the natural world. The standard-issue interventionist supernatural god is not knowABLE. That is agnosticism. If that god canNOT be known, then its mighty hard to form a belief concerning such a things. That's atheism.
Atheism is NOT about being sure god doesn't exist. It's about there being no reason whatsoever to believe he exists. Important distinction.
I don’t believe in god or gods, but there’s no way to prove it with 100% certainty. OTOH, if you assume that one or more gods do exist, then how would you find any evidence of that? I’d argue that since there’s no evidence of god — prayers go unanswered, good deeds go unrewarded, the devout get deathly illnesses, criminals live long happy lives, etc. — then it doesn’t make any sense to believe in god, so you may just as well operate as if they don’t exist whether or not it’s true.
As far as I am concerned, there is zero evidence that any god exists. Understanding probabilities, I would say that is 99.9 percent certainty. That is close enough 10.. percent for me to say that any discussion about the existence of any gods is simply moot or irrelevant.
I decided myself that there is no God and walked away from religion. I do not want to prove to anyone either way about God. My time is more precious than this shit.
So someone does piss in your Cheerios daily! I wondered. Now I am certain.
Because if your 'time was more precious than this shit' - you could have gone by without stopping and writing.
I think you need more happy in your life to counteract the bad Cheerios....
Have a cat meme.
I think most in philosophy of religion have given up “proofs for certain” (=sound deductive proofs) for the existence or nonexistence of God and turned to probabilistic (=inductive) reasoning. For example, the “argument from design” contends that the intricate order in the universe provides evidence that there probably exists a super intelligence who designed it, while the “inductive problem of evil” contends that the overwhelming amount of suffering, etc., in the universe provides evidence that there probably is no perfectly good overseer in charge of things. So then—with no deductive proof of either— the question becomes whether it is MORE RATIONAL to accept theism or atheism. And I think there is nothing wrong with “believing for certain” that one is more rational than the other.
All gods were invented by man to explain things they couldn't explain. One by one they all disappeared when science proved the origin of the problem. The reason I believe there is no overall god is because it has no effect on our lives. This can be seeing by two teams praying and one losing, people being born into starvation, weather disasters, earthquakes etc. We have explanations for all of it and because somebody made something up once doesn't make it real. Little kids' imaginary friends, The Boogeyman or as I commented on some other post, schmias. Schmias controls all of life. Do you believe it? Why or why not? It's a fun mental exercise to talk about things that don't exist but to ask one to prove a negative is like beating your head against the wall. There is absolutely no proof of a god and that's why I don't believe there is one. Because people like flat-earthers and people who don't believe that there was a moon landing still exist, idiots abound and so will gods.
I am not certain and I do not need to be.
A god that can't be measured, that do not communicate in clear way, that hides itself even from statistics is virtually equal to an inexistent god.
even if it exists there is no way to know if he wants or what it wants.
So business as usual... Until an objective and not shy god appear... Treat them as they do not exist.¨
And of course there is the problem of self contradictory definition of gods
The YHWH for example claim to be perfectly good, and to be the origin of everything.
AND according to him evil exists.
SO if he is the origin of evil, how he can be perfectly good?
Thus, this god with this definition is impossible to exist.
There has never been any evidence of any God, or sky daddy that created the universe in six days and then rested on the seventh day. Any book that claims to be the writing of such a being was written by men. When I see undeniable scientific proof then I will examine that evidence and decide whether the evidence is accurate and possible.
I am pretty certain there is no sky daddy. There has been a trend away from the omnipotent ghost toward a fuzzier notion of a god, more like a spiritual connectedness. I don't buy that either but I am open to the possibility that there is something out there. I am most certain that there are things that I do not know.
But, whatever there may or may not be, it doesn't really matter in how I live my life.
Yes it's possible humans are hybrid primates with ET.....but ET is not geebush jeehobah yhwh ghostholes and the bible is genocidal misogynistic pro-violent abortion insane attacks upon scientists
I agree with your viewpoint wholeheartedly.
@GreenAtheist I wasn’t asking about belief in the Bible, but belief in a deity.
@Leeshi I have no beliefs....I need no belief ABOUT doors to walk IN doors because doors exist....suffice to say Mark Twain tried to get you reasoning in this realm when he said: " faith is believing whatcha know ain't so " deity gott gawds theism...I won't fall into a false dictionary word trap...my Atheism means I have no theism inside my brain like believers do have in those cult infested synapses.....all mammals are born Atheists....religions brainwash children and other living humans
I'm 100% certain that there is no god. I think of it more in terms of what are the odds, than anything is possible. To take Dawkin's example of something that is non falsifiable, what if someone told you that there are magical fairies that live in the forest. The reason no one has ever seen these fairies is because they have the magical ability to become invisible whenever they detect they are being observed by a human. If you take the approach that anything is possible and that someday evidence may present itself, then you have to concede that there is some slim chance that there are indeed magical fairies living in the forest. Instead, what I do is I compare the odds that there are magical fairies living in the forest to the odds that this is just a story invented by some creative, imaginative person. I'm willing to say those odds are zero. So, no I don't believe that there are magical fairies living in the forest and for the same reason I also don't believe there's an invisible man up in the sky.
ET is up there and the man and the man in the moon - that's it! I believe that as strongly
as "believers'' believe what they believe! I do not believe in the supernatural,
except in the movies!
By the way, did you see, "History of the World, Part 1" ? You must see Moses
receiving the commandments!
very simple in my case. my definition of an atheist is on who does not believe in a personal god.
could there be supreme beings out there which we would consider god like? i don't know..
The question doesn't pertain to me because I'm not 100% certain that no gods exist, but I'm commenting because I'm bored and I've got a half-hour to kill before I go to sleep.
All comments and thoughts are my own and are valid for at least 5-10 minutes
thoughts may be subject to change without notice
stars are pretty
In the existence of god(s) debate, I find that there is really only one genuine answer: "I don't know, and you don't know, either." (Matt Dillahunty's voice ringing in my ears)
I'm atheist in the sense of rejecting the assertion of the existence of a god. I don't know that no gods exist. I know I haven't seen evidence to convince me that one does. To me, everything after the claim or the rejection of the claim really seems little more than clever banter, with my biased opinion favoring the non-believer as the more clever of the two.
I save my 100% certainty for things that I know that I don't know. I'm 100% certain that I don't know how to skydive. I'm 100% certain that I do not speak mandarin. I am 100% certain that I don't know how to transform into a kangaroo, but I'm certainly trying.
I'm also 100% certain that Sex Panther works 60% of the time, every time.
*hears panther roaring and wonders why it smells like hot garbage
Lets face facts; gods were man made to control the rest of the population. This is not the Dark Ages. We have science now, technological leaps and bounds have been made, and of which, I'm sure, none was divine intervention. So ya, I'm 100% sure there are no gods. Aliens ? Nah, they would just pass by earth and say "look, they're still killing eachother, hurry past so they don't see us . . .
What makes YOU so sure it's not?
Like I said, I’m not 100% sure, which is why I was trying to understand what makes people that sure. I’m pretty reasonably sure that there isn’t a god, but if verifiable evidence came to light contradicting this, I would seriously reconsider.
@Leeshi just prEy to gawd you win the PowerBall lottery....when you lose Wednesday night you shall have all the proof you need gawd cannot hear you and if you win it's a 300 million to one shot that gawd did not tell you the winning numbers
@Leeshi I get that but it's easier when you just decide to commit to science and truth over manipulation and lies.
@ReadyforaChange what makes you think that I’m not committed to science and truth?
@ReadyforaChange considering how many things science has screwed up and gotten so wrong, it's a fools game to me to place complete faith in what amounts to just another religion. Science is great and all, but we also have to think for ourselves and not let a God by any name dictate for us.
@WisdomWarlord Oh lord dude....NOOOOOOO. Science is about fact...it's right in front of our eyes. You know that humans have been around for millions of years, not thousands, right? You understand that the earth is not flat, don't you?? If your answer to these questions is "I don't know" or "I'm not sure", then seriously, you need to get off this site.
@Leeshi It largely depends on how you define god. Ever hear of Epicurus? He presented the following argument based on the existence of evil (bad shit).
His argument goes something like this. Consider the question of why god doesn't get rid of evil.
There are 4 possibilities.
He is:
Willing but Not Able - Wants to defeat the devil but can't???? What? The Devil is more powerful than god?
Willing AND Able - He wants to do it... and he can. Then why doesn't he just do it and be done with it? Why does the bad shit still exist??
Not willing and Able - He really doesn't care about us even though he could defeat if he wanted to. What a great guy!!! He could help us out by defeating the devil but he doesn't want to.
Not willing and Not Able - Is he not willing because he can't do it? That's like sour grapes!
David Hume put it this way:
Epicurus’s old questions are yet unanswered. Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able? then is he impotent. Is he able, but not willing? then is he malevolent. Is he both able and willing? whence then is evil?
Also, consider all the bad shit that god created!!!
We didn't create this shit !!!!! It's all god!!! ( If he exists he is a nasty ass creature! )
This is just a small sample. I'm not a medical person, but I can name the following without missing a beat!
The worse part of all of the above is that they kill indiscriminately !!!
Innocent Women, children, Newborn BABIES !!! (Yeah, they really deserved to die a terrible death.)
Now you know why I don't believe in a loving god. If he exists, then he is as bad as the devil!
R. Allan Worrell
Stop feeding the troll
Troll? Really? If she is a troll, she is the most, articulate, polite, thoughtful troll I've ever, seen. Judge without considering anything but your knee-jerk much?
How can you be certain that none of us actually exist and that we are all not actually a dream of some alien being acting out as it’s mind directs us? How can you ignore the tons of evidence that we were not only visited, but created, by alien beings as a science/genetic experiment? There are far more reasons presented by evidence for this than there is of a god. And why concern yourself? If you lead a decent life and there is a god and some form of afterlife, you should be fine. If your god is the Abramic god of jealousy and fear, then why would you want to associate with such an evil entity? When someone can point to a spot anywhere in our galaxy or in or on earth, where there is billions of “souls” residing maybe I could believe. If religious people didn’t suffer the exact same fates as non believers, if Christians did not die just as often as Jews and Muslims, maybe you could make a point. Given modern science and what we as humans have been able to accomplish, (which if there was a god, why did it take so long?) I see absolutely no reason to believe in anything as silly as an invisible friend with unknown powers in a place no one can see, except in hallucinations.
I am absolutely not trying to make a point for the existence of a god. I don’t don’t believe in a god. I was just curious about what makes people 100% certain. I just feel like there is nothing that I wouldn’t question if presented with compelling evidence to the contrary, which is why I didn’t answer 100%.
@Leeshi, and I explained why I am 100% sure. Saying that you leave the question open in case someone finds more than allegorical proof is the equivalent of saying you can’t believe anything because there is some minute chance that some how you might be proven wrong.
@Barnie2years you’re right, I can’t believe it 100%