@Maninthebooth Are you seriously drawing a parallel between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump? You, my friend, are delusional. Also petulance is a sudden display of aggravation/irrirtation. This is hardly sidden. After four interminable years of Trump's lies, corruption and all the damage he's doing to this country, if a decisive agent of change isn't embraced in the next election, I'll have had enough.

@Maninthebooth Where did I say it was Bernie or nothng? I'm good with Bernie, Liz, Tulsi, Julian, there are several Ds I'd feel good voting for. Bernie's my favorite because he represents the most sweeping changes -- something we need badly -- but if he doesn't get the nom, I have back-ups. The Ds who voted for Trump after Hillary shut out Bernie made an idiotic decision, one I expect they won't repeat in 2020.

Of course I voted for Hillary in 2016 even though she represents everything that's wrong with centrist Ds but the other choice was Donald fucking Trump so I held my nose and voted for her. She would've been a zero as president but she wouldn't have been the nuclear meltdown Trump's been..

@Maninthebooth We appear to agree on several points: Trump is garbage, we need a Dem in office and as such we will both be voting for whomever the D nom is, for better or worse. You may see the progressive candidates as unrealistic choices but theirs are the policies most Americans are excited about. The centrists have nothing to sell but the ststus quo -- we've had enough of the status quo. It's time for broad, sweeping changes. So get with the program, grow a pair and get behind the candidates who have ideas worth supporting. Biden is just another Hillary -- the safe, moderate, establishment choice -- have you forgotten that she lost against one of the most unpopular Rs ever to run?

People are excited by new ideas and the candidates most passionate about fighting for them. It's greatthat you'll vote D no matter who it is but the corporatist candidates you probably support are like a species of dinosaur that just hasn't gone extinct yet.

@Maninthebooth We could go back anf forth on this for the next year and a half. Progressive Dems poll consistently higher than centrists and you're going to see that continue through the 2020 election.

I agree. Joe Biden and the likes are hoping that the anger against Trump (possibly most among the liberals) will help them win in 2020. Thy think the time is right but not even closely aware how ruthless campaign Trump runs. I doubt whether Joe BIden can stand Trump's attacks in debates down the road. Biden could not even respond to Kamala Harris properly in the first debate.

We currently do not have any candidate that fires voters up. Getting fired up by Bernie Sanders among just the socialist liberals is not the same thing as that happening in the general.

@St-Sinner I'm not 'fired up' by anybody in politics...except maybe the Orange Baboon. I am VERY fired up about seeing him soundly defeated.

@Fred_Snerd Why do you say that an ideal society would be a consensus of sincere nihilists?

@Fred_Snerd I just don't understand why it would be an ideal society under sincere nihilists. Just to be clear, I'm not asking the question to oppose your thinking, but I'm just trying to understand your thinking. Is it in thinking that there is no meaning to life that might make them be more generous or less corrupt?

@creative51 Polls have Biden with the biggest lead over Trump.

@Bobsuruncle I'm not saying people won't vote for him, tons of people vote for Mickey Mouse. The question is what's his best strategy to win?

@Bobsuruncle Yeah, his best shot of winning was to go hide under a rock. Quite frankly I think it could have succeeded. Instead he made a fool of himself.

@Bobsuruncle I would argue that trump, Hillary, Biden, Obama, literally all of the rest of congress and more or less every other world leader who was not born into their role does it for the power. Power is a drug more potent than meth and more addictive than heroine, and it destroys lives.

This time again, it is going to be a choice between two bad candidates in 2020

@Bobsuruncle Or you don't vote, which is how we wound up with twinkletoes the moron.

yes, absolutely, trump for prison, 2020!

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@genessa Possible if he loses. Even the Senate impeachment won't do it.

@St-Sinner current senate won't convict. future senate might, but that would require his winning first, and that would say a lot about our country that would make me sick.

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