Thanks...sympathy in both directions!

No...his problem is not with Parliamentarians of all complexions who are putting the country first to prevent a catastrophic “no deal” Brexit, it’s because he is telling lies about trying to get a better deal with the EU, when he’s trying to run down the clock and crash out without a deal on 31st Oct., entirely a problem of his own making. We were promised we’d get a good deal and that it would be the easiest deal in history. Nobody ...not even the most ardent Brexit voters can want the economy to suffer to the degree it will if we leave without a deal...it is suicidal to do so. Cameron is to blame for giving us a binary choice without a built in percentage margin of at least 10%, but in any case it was only an advisory referendum, and we are allowed to change our minds now that we see all the glaring disadvantages and blatant lies and misrepresentations. To keep charging out of the EU at all costs is not being responsible, and the first responsibility of our MPs is to look after the interests of the electorate who voted for them. That is why we have a parliamentary democracy and don’t rule by referenda and plebiscite, and that’s why parliament has to have to final say in any deal or indeed “no deal”.

@Marionville Having read quite a bit of rhetoric about a 'No Deal' I have no firm conclusion.... so please tell me why leaving the EU on WTO rules is so catastrophic

It’ll take more than that I’m afraid.

@Marionville Sorry... American humor. Stick a fork in him... He's DONE!

@RiverRick ah...!

Thanks.

What a sorry state we’re in.

@Marionville Its shocking to us to keep seeing these horrid messes!

No minimum wage? There are some Republicans pushing that here in the states. Ugh!

He will worm his way out of death in a ditch...and live to fight on no doubt! More’s the pity!!

The upper hand in Europe you mean I presume....as the dominant economy they have always been pivotal, but the EU structure is purposely democratic, in as much as all countries have equal votes and vetoes in policy and decision making.

@Marionville I understand much of the role of the states in the EU. The Germans are the strongest and a lot of the push to form the EU came from them (I was living there when it all started). They are determined to change the worldview of their country and try an erase the horrors of WWII. Much of the Eu is socialistic and it can work. My big concern is population growth. The countries are relatively small and the densities continues to grow. The UK has a huge density and I can imagine a lot of the problems stem from that.

@JackPedigo It’s really only the cities that are high density....successive governments have not invested in new housing and up to date transport links...there is a big north/south divide in the UK, too much wealth in the southeast and London, neglect and lack of opportunity in the north when traditional industries like coal, steel and shipbuilding became uncompetitive and went out of business. Scotland is empty except for the lowland belt...they need to get control of their own economy...because Scotland’s needs are very different from England’s...they need more immigration not less.

@Marionville I understand what you mean. I remember visiting Newcastle several times in the 70's. Unfortunately it was still pretty dirty and poor. A friend's brother was a university professor and he still lived in an old brick row house.

I see things differently and, as far as the environment goes no one, especially countries that have excessive carbon footprints and greenhouse gas emissions do not need more immigration and increase their impact.

I hope so...but no guarantee..

@Marionville I hope so, too, but as I've mentioned before it should be more than a simple majority vote.

Sorry ...on this I don’t agree. In fact the BBC is considered to have a left wing bias by many in the Tory Party. I think on balance they try to be as evenhanded as possible, but each presenter brings their own bias with them. Question time goes to great lengths to try to get a balanced audience and panel for their live programme...my main objection to it is the presenters, David Dimbleby and now Fiona Bruce have too much to say, interjecting instead of allowing the panel to speak.

They not pro-Tory, just anti-Corbyn, there is a difference.

@273kelvin true.

@Marionville I meant prime minister's question time in parliament. Boris was hopeless. The Tories were cringeing behind him.
As for the program, the panel is always stacked to the right. I mean, how many times have they had bloody Nige on, and he doesn't even have a seat in parliament!

@MrBeelzeebubbles Last night was shambolic...they were all talking over each other, but they had 3 remainers and 3 brexiters. The audience was pretty half and half too. I did watch PMQs on Wed. I saw Boris and his less than sterling performance.

I don’t know the answer to the question about Gina Miller...I suspect it is being funded by wealthy backers not taxpayers. There will obviously be an election some time soon, but not before NO DEAL is taken off the table..that is now clear. Boris is a known liar who is playing power struggle games with Parliament, the winner must be Parliament because anything else would set a dangerous precedent for other would be dictators to emulate

@Marionville Shame there's no device invented yet to look into the future.
... or maybe it has been invented, but the big betting companies, including Camelot, bought the patent and have suppressed it!!!!!

@Petter Maybe were better off not knowing!

@Marionville ......... but I want to win the lottery before they suppress the invention.

If the govt resigns a temporary govt of national unity could be formed by opposition groups. This would not have to have Corbyn at the head but probably would. It may be formed on the strict understanding that it is only there to halt a no-deal exit and to call an election soon after that had been atchieved

@273kelvin Now that IS a possibility.

He wasn’t elected by the country...only a small number of people...those who are Conservative Party Members....and only two thirds of them voted for him. He is an illegitimate PM as far as I’m concerned, and the quicker we get rid of him the better.

@Marionville We live with that same pain every day.

@Sgt_Spanky Trump wasn’t elected with only 92,00 votes though! I do understand your point though.

@Marionville Actually due to our Electoral College trump won in three states with less than 88,000 thousand votes I believe. I'd like to see the end of the Electoral College.

Yes...so many gaffes in such a short time....but we knew about his opportunism and incompetence already. Sacked from numerous jobs because he was caught lying, and is the cause of Nazanin Zachariah-Ratcliffe having her sentence lengthened in Iran when he “misspoke” when giving a statement when he was Foreign Secretary. The man is so full of hot air and braggadocio I’m surprised he hasn’t self combusted!

@Marionville I'm surprised he has not yet got his head stuck up his own bottom. Still time, I suppose...

@Red_Cat we can but live in hope.

Absolutely...we’ve put the lunatics in charge of the asylum!

The only really bright spot in all this mess is that the Tories are tearing themselves apart. Cummings has been called out for not even being a Party member! This present uber-right -wing cabal who are running the government are so blinkered in their ideology they can’t see that they are in a minority within the party...is there ever going to be such a thing as a “one nation Tory Party”, that the more moderate ones talk about...or has it always been only a myth of their own imagination?

@Marionville Once Cummings gets his cum-uppance he will, no doubt, be hired by Farage. What a gang of rogues we have at the moment.

@Red_Cat They would be a marriage made in hell!

@Marionville Yes, worse than having the C man with BJ. A dangerous combination.

I read the OP and my first thought was always, not now.