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✶On the the stunning selfishness of Christianity✶
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Five years of deconstruction in, this is the thing that still boggles my mind: The utter self-centeredness of Christians and Christianity.

To be clear: I'm not talking about the Christians whose God is somewhat universal and inclusive, and whose faith motivates them to make the world a better place.

I mean the Christians whose worlds revolve around their Own Personal Salvation ... and their own fantastic parking spaces.

In general, they're Evangelicals. But not always. The attitude has spread like kudzu over the last few decades.

Almost always, these Christians are in a "relationship, not a religion," so they can give glory to their awesome God for helping them find their lost car keys, or that perfect parking spot by the grocery store on a rainy day. (Because God answers prayer!)

The fact that every 10 seconds, someone in the world (usually a child) dies of hunger... or that in the time it took me to write this rant, more than 400 people (mostly women and children) in America were battered in their homes... even though Christians are constantly praying about these issues, doesn't bother them. (But sometimes, God says "no..." for mysterious reasons.)

To me, though, the worst part is this:

Most of these Christians really DO believe in a literal hell, where those who die unsaved will suffer conscious, eternal torment.

This fate awaits the vast majority of the human race, according to their theology.

It may even await their own friends, siblings, spouses or parents.

But the "Good News" is good news for THEM ... because THEY got "saved."

I have discussed this point with a number of them. They have a number of defense mechanisms.

Many just shrug and say they're sad if others "choose" to go to hell, but it's something they can't control. (Nevertheless, they find great joy and comfort in the Lord.)

To me, that's worse than supporting Hitler, even though your neighbors were sent to Auschwitz, because Hitler built the Autobahn (which is really nice!).

Imagine if you truly believed that there was a bomb in your father's car, programmed to explode as soon as he entered the highway. If you loved him, you'd do anything to stop him from getting in. You would'nt say, "Oh well, he wants to drive, so..."

That's why I think very few Christians have really, really, really thought this through. It's one thing to believe in hell ... but to really ponder it, AND BE OKAY WITH IT — to STILL believe that God is all-loving and awesome — seems, to me, sociopathic.

At the very least, it dehumanizes others. The only way to NOT be bothered by billions of people in hell is to think of them as not ... quite ... human...like...you.

Amazingly, some Christians I've talked to have never even THOUGHT about this issue.

A friend of mine, who is well-read and extremely intelligent, became "saved" a couple of years ago (to my surprise). She said she had found great joy, and began prosyletizing on Facebook.

We had several discussions about nonbelievers in eternal hell.

Finally, I asked her about her late parents and husband, who I knew weren't Christians. Somehow, she had never visualized them in eternal torment. Until I pointed it out to her.

She became very upset, and accused me of "trying to hurt her by saying such horrible things."

I pointed out it was HER religion that said so. I never heard from her again.

The cognitive dissodance.

I just can't.

#rant
#Christians
#hell
#damnation
#saved
#jesus
#Christ
#Evangelical

babyhumanist 4 Sep 13
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well said. thanks for the post!

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The fact that it offers only a selfish salvation, even if not hell in a literal way, is the central dark heart of chritianity, which encourages "me" thinking across all the communities it infects.

1,000,000%.

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I think what you're missing is this - a large % of people are self centered assholes that don't give a flying fuck about people they don't know or have slight ideological differances from them, and think they're so good they deserve all the nice things forever (because god favors them, obviously). Certain flavors of xtianity are designed for these folks - unfortunatly.

That your friend cut off contact with you as opposed to sticking with it to try and save you also, falls squarely into this catagory. If she actually cared about you she'd try and save your soul too, instead of the "Well she wants to go to hell" bullshit justification. Your better off in the long run without here, methinks.

1of5 Level 8 Sep 13, 2019

Oh, to be clear ... she and I weren't close. It doesn't matter to me that she's gone. I simply used her as an example of someone who was obsessed with happiness about her own salvation, but never even THOUGHT about what this meant about her parents and husband ... until I brought it up.

Even though I can't do it, I can SORT OF understand how people can just not think, or care, about the billions of people they don't know.

What I CANNOT comprehend, however, is how these folks aren't too bothered by the eternal torment of THEIR OWN LOVED ONES.

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I have a difficult time calling someone intelligent who buys into the Heaven and Hell concept. I can believe an intelligent person can believe in some sort of spirituality just because our mortality is not a very pleasant thought. I sometimes wish I did believe in something.

It's very possible for intelligent people to believe in heaven and hell. I did, and I don't think my IQ was 72 back then, and 136 now. KWIM?

There is compartmentalization, rationalization, and cognitive dissonance. Those have nothing to do with intelligence, per se.

Below is a list of some Christian philosophers I created for another forum. I disagree with them, I think they were wrong, but I honestly don't think they were all just stupid:

In Hellenist thought:

Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Irenaeus of Lyons, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Augustine of Hippo, Athanasius of Alexandria, Dioscorus of Aphrodito, Gregory of Nyssa, Gregory of Nazianzus, Basil the Great

In the Medieval era (800s to 1500s CE):

Peter Abelard, Anselm of Canterbury, Thomas Aquinas, William of Ockham, John Duns Scotus, Albert of Saxony, Roger Bacon, Gabriel Biel, Hildegard of Bingen, Johannes Scotus Eriugena, Marsilius of Inghen, Albertus Magnus

During the Renaissance and Reformation (1400s to 1600s):

René Descartes, Jacobus Arminius, Francis Bacon,Jean Bodin, Desiderius Erasmus, Hugo Grotius, Marsilio Ficino,Giovanni Pico della Mirandola, Huldrych Zwingli

In the modern era (1600s to today):

Thomas Browne, Galileo Galileir, John Locke, Isaac Newton, Blaise Pascal, Immanuel Kant, Karl Leonhard Reinhold, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Karl Barth, G. K. Chesterton, Fyodor Dostoevsky, C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien, Karl Barth, Søren Kierkegaard, Reinhold Niebuhr,
Edith Stein, Albert Schweitzer, Leo Tolstoy, Frederick Buechner, David Bentley Hart, Simone Weil

@babyhumanist I do think they are stupid.

@Sticks48 Okay.

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WHY DON'T YOU SEE THESE DISCREPANCIES? PROOF of FICTION.
And when Jesus entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, imploring Him, and saying, "Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, fearfully tormented." Jesus said to him, "I will come and heal him." Matthew 8:5-7
In Matthew's gospel, the Centurion comes to see Jesus and talks to Jesus directly. But look how Luke's gospel tells the same story.
Luke 7:2-5
And a centurion's slave, who was highly regarded by him, was sick and about to die. When he heard about Jesus, he sent some Jewish elders asking Him to come and save the life of his slave. When they came to Jesus, they earnestly implored Him, saying, "He is worthy for You to grant this to him;
for he loves our nation and it was he who built us our synagogue."
In Luke's gospel, the centurion sends Jewish Elders, and never speaks to Jesus directly.
John's Gospel has another twist to this healing story.
""And there was a royal official whose son was sick at Capernaum. When he heard that Jesus had come out of Judea into Galilee, he went to Him and was imploring Him to come down and heal his son; for he was at the point of death."" John 4:46-47
John's Gospel promotes the sick servant to a son.
These differences point out that the story is fiction and each gospel writer tells the story differently.

@nicknotes

Did you mean this comment for me?

I'm an atheist. I know the Bible is full of discrepancies. Did you read my post? It has nothing to do with that.

My comment was just a FYI for anyone who is interested in proof the Bible is a fraud. @babyhumanist

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